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This thread is meant for the refutations of allegations against Dr Sahab.All irrelevant posts will be deleted.

We know very well the views/opinions of others regarding Dr Sahab,so 'Hunter',u dont have to post the links in this thread.

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5/26/09

Khadim-e-Sunniyat

Ur post has been deleted as well.And what is the use of answering the allegations in that biased community when the thread was hidden after Naveed answered those allegations in order to prevent the members from reading the answers.

Anyhow, this thread will be closed pretty soon as it may incite others to create discord among the sunnis.

5/26/09

Allways

Done with MS
Khadim-e-Sunniyat

Ur post has been deleted as well.And what is the use of answering the allegations in that biased community when the thread was hidden after Naveed answered those allegations in order to prevent the members from reading the answers.

Are they afraid of facing facts

@Rizwan well said bhaijaan i totally agree with ur view point

5/26/09

bhaiyon dushmani aur jhagda sirf deobandiyo, wahabiyon, aur shion k saat theek hai....

On what basis did you say this brother? About mentioning the 73 sects, did He SallallaahoAlayheWasallima say that they will fight with each other OR they should fight each other? We take things wrongly and bring it up as a Fitnah. Ummat is really facing hard times, so it's the time to get united. Point of starting this thread is to show the truth that The 'Mujaddid' of this century needs whole hearted support of all Ulema. But some groups are causing harm to his mission which is not acceptable in the eyes of Allaah and His Rasool SallallaahoAlayheWasalima and we can see it's immideate results in our Pakistan and whole Muslim Ummah. May God lead us to thie right path under a right leadership in the Sadqah of His Beloved SallallaahoAlayheWasallima..

5/26/09

@Always

That's not why the thread has been hidden... It is hidden so that no other Sunni brother or sister gets a misconception.

The reason given by the moderator of that comm for hiding that particular thread

5/26/09

That's not why the thread has been hidden... It is hidden so that no other Sunni brother or sister gets a misconception.

The reason given by the moderator of that comm for hiding that particular thread

it makes me laugh

5/26/09

Shouldn't I reply to the new posts made by Sybarite in that thread?

5/26/09

5/26/09

Naveed u can answer all the allegations levied on Dr Tahirul Qadri here

5/26/09

A.R

Excellent work by bro Naveed

Jazaka'Allah Khair

@All

People who have extreme love for Nabi Kareem(sallahualihe Wasalam), can only Understand Dr Sahab and his work

5/26/09

And they are insisting that naveed answers to the new allegations in that biased community so that as soon as he answers the new allegations,they can hide the thread again.....really a bunch of loosers

Obaid Bhai.

They really are losers. Trust me. That crap which he calls 'Replies' are soon going to be shown here with their reality. I'm done with the first page and now need a bit of time to laugh at him .

I'll get them all done till evening and will post them here tonight. Till then go and see how he is making fun of our Deen and our Madhab. Sigh!

5/26/09

JazaakAllaah u Khair Muhammad Bhai . Need your support to fight against this group of people who have been caught by the nasty hands of their Nafs.

5/27/09

Doc’s evasive tactics are known to many. The most popular evasion from Cape Town . Jumped off the mosque wall and ranaway! Though I Mosque, South Africa have any materialistic proofs but there areJdon’t several eye witnesses still alive, mostly in South Africa.

I mentioned in my response that don’t touch that issue of South Africa, Damn it . If your bloody mind doesn’t even get this single thing in your poor, aggressive, filled with anger and empty from valuable knowledge, then go to your beloved Ulema. And simply ask them what happened in South Africa?

Who were those guards who were sitting on his right and left? Who were those Ulema with ‘Daarhi Mubarak’ who were sitting in first rows in his lecture and what were their plan? If they don’t answer it, then go to South Africa and check their crime records. Trust me I don’t want to open my mouth on this issue. Just shut your bloody crap mouth up and don’t dare talking on this issue ever again. And by the way thanks to those who caused that thing. Thousands of people became fans of Dr Sahab in South Africa after that and the work which was supposed to be done after many years, was done in just a few days .

5/27/09

The website has been updated, though you can still find a similar statement here:
http://www.minhaj.info/di/index.php?mod=mags&month=2008-08&article=13&read=txt&lang=ur
You can check the wikipedia entry for Minhaj-ul-Quran as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minhaj-ul-Quran
Are you really that stupid or you are acting to be one? Or don’t have a sense of humor inside? If yes then let me explain. That line was written to show Toqeer’s poor sense of questioning in which he placed ‘Blah blah blah’ in place of the context of that page instead of putting only ‘Dots’ which is commonly in practice through out the world. But I think it’s quite tough for you to understand ha?
Plain nonsense! You should’ve consulted someone for the clarification. Look at it closely, Doc first established a separated group/organization, named it Minjah-ul-Quran, people from this group call themselves minhajians and then he started yelling, I do not believe in sectarianism. Isnt that hypocrite to first introduce a new sect and then you cry a river over sectarianism. Doc himself introduced a new sect, that is Minhaj!
Poor chap! Some of your Ulema call us ‘Firqa e Tahiriya’, some call us ‘Sulli Kulli’ and now you called our sect as ‘Minhajis’. Please leave us and let us remain the proud ‘Ahl-ul-Sunnah’. And as far as the question of consultation is concerned then let me assure you they are not as free as you guys who waste your time in writing whole books against Doctor rather than working for the cause of Ahl-ul-Sunnah. They are working for us and our coming generations. He established a platform for all sects to understand the teachings of Ahl-ul-Sunnah in detail which were called as ‘Stories’ in past. Got that ‘KIDO’?

5/27/09

Cut this lame political crap. Arab and Ajam are not sects, they’re races and we aren’t talking about racism at all. Personal experience means nothing in such discussions so better avoid it in future. Its no wonder why our youth like Minhaj-ul-Quran, after all Doc said its ok to mingle with girls if its for educational purpose. Parda/Hijab isn’t a necessity for girl to Doc. Later you talked about your father. Again no wonder if a Deo-sympathizer likes Doc.

First of all I won’t allow a person like you to comment about my Father, who has no respect inside for elders. Secondly, where did you see me calling Arabs and Ajams as sects?
Don’t talk out of your own anger and disguise. I know you are a bit confused but it’s ok! Get easy and then reply. I’m not in hurry and neither is anyone else out here. It’s the matter of our Imaan, baby!
Mingling with girls is a nasty and a new extra-ordinarily stupid word used by extra-ordinarily stupid person once again. And about Parda/Hijab, that thing is totally rubbish and a fine piece of crap. Have an experience of going to Minhaj ul Quran International’s center anywhere and you’d find Sisters there in complete Hijab. Don’t associate moronic things with this league, trust me many Sufiya e Karaam and Awliya e Kamileen, even who have done parda from this world, love it from all their heart, including our Master SallallaahoAlayheWasalllima so better think before you open your ugly side of your mouth.

5/27/09

I mean what actually you want to prove here? Whenever Doc appears on stage or on TV he never goes against mainstream sunni beliefs and yet welcomes all the deviants with all their diabolical beliefs. Is that your point here? Is that all what makes Doc and Minhajians “Proud Sunnis”?

You got the point but didn’t understand it. For more clarification, let me add the word of ‘Daring Sunnis’ as well .

Let me show you something;

“Mein Hanfiyat ya Maslak-e-Ahle’Sunnat-o-Jamat ki bala’tari ke liye kaam nahi kar raha hun.”
(Naway-e-Waqt, pg. 4-19, September 1986)

I am not working to promote Hanafiyat or Maslak-e-Ahle’Sunnat-o-Jamat.

LoL! Poor chap, see that thread once again. This thing has already been shown to me by some other guy. And I have replied to it as well. Don’t show your old and corrupt references again and again. I have given you enough proofs to show that he is the biggest asset of Ahl-ul-Sunnah in present times and many of the high authorities like Professor Saeed as-Sagharji who are considered as authorities for Hannafi Madhab, are with him and kiss his hands. Better come up with solid proofs and some valuable knowledge. Don’t consider ‘anger’ as the alternate of ‘knowledge’, like you always do .

5/27/09

I am sure as being a Doc’s admirer you’re really proud of this statement.

Why the heck would be I proud of your bloody corrupt proof? But yeah! I am proud to be his admirer .

The answer is NO! Just take deobandis for example;

1.Tauheed-o-Risalat

You don’t know their beliefs regarding Huzoor (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) or you just ignored all those diabolical statements they made for Aaqa (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) like the Doc does?

5/27/09

2. Huzoor ki Khatmiyat

Do I need to mention Tehzeer-un-Naas?

And most importantly, isn’t Tazeem-e-Rasool (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) is fundamental to Doc? Go ask him if you’re not sure and if Tazeem-e-Rasool (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) is fundamental then what about Wahabis/Deos?

However, in minor subsidiary matters this difference is only as far as minor details,

Is Tazeem-e-Mustafa (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam), Tazeem-e-Sahaba really this minor to minhajians?

Man! You are not even eligible to attend this debate, you know that? Because you haven’t even read that whole thread. I have told you in that thread that he takes every matter case-to-case, it means he doesn’t consider everyone responsible for few person’s act. I didn’t know that you mind was that narrow to even adjust this little thing in your mind. Alas!

5/27/09

Live peacefully? Where this comes from! Stop being political please! We are not at WAR with different schools of thought. Its simply to maintain your identity. Ahle’Sunnah cant tolerate being immerged into Gustakhan-e-Rasool (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) just for the sake of happy peaceful living!

You’re presenting Surah Al-Imran verse 64 here, where Allah invited Jews and Christians to accept Allah's divine Oneness. And what Doc tried is to neutralize the difference between Ahle’Sunnah and the deviants.

Again the same bloody crap. Mixing with Gustakhan e Rasool and all that. Read my previous post for that once again, damn it .

Dare to exclude all those scholars who participated in different movements along with other schools of thought. Dare doing this, and then wait for a flood of Fatawa against you and those who support you, and trust me all those Fatawa will be with proofs and from Undeniable scholars. Mind it! I have given list of such Ulema o Mashaikh who worked with other schools of thought for different causes, just quoting one example. Hazrat Khawaja Qamar ud Din Sialvi RehmatullaahAlayh. And yeah peacefully, is this peace which we are carrying out here? Oh, what a joke you are trying to make ‘KIDDO’ .

You quoted Tafaseer of Ayaat e Qur’ani. Man! See their Siaq o Sbaq. Don’t talk blindly and putting the Ummat e Muhammadiyah SallallaahoAlayheWasallima in category of ‘Jews’.

5/27/09

For Deed Shoneed, provide an authentic denial, if exists. I like your approach here but still not efficient enough. Belonging to one school of thought cant be declared as sectarianism but in that statement of Doc we only see a denial and no affirmation of belonging to any school of thought at all.

When I say that Doctor hasn’t said what Deed Shoneed has presented, then it’s authentic enough. And the biggest proof is this is that whenever the proof is demanded from those people that they say, “Attempts are being made to get those cassettes”. Ahh, this thing is now at least 30 years old and still the ‘attempts’ are being made. Very slow, I must say .

And don’t suggest a scholar what to say and what not to. You don’t even have a mere spiritual status and are making a failed attempt to guide a Wali. Poor you!

Oye hoye!! Chaa gaye jee tussi!

Haha! Thank you . You really don’t have a good sense of humor so don’t try to get funny. And if this wasn’t fun and rather a serious sarcasm, then I must suggest you not to make sarcastic statements anymore. Because you’ll fail badly. Trust me!

5/27/09

Well sorry to say but that’s a typical wahabi/deobandi approach. If you find that magazine of such a low prestige than what kept Doc writing a denial to that magazine all these years? I mean you jumped in a discussion started on Orkut but so far none of the minhajians ever stepped forward to officially deny what that magazine published. Isnt that amazing ha? Anyways, if there is any such denial to the reference of Risala Deed-o-Shoneed, please post it here.

You love calling us like Deobandis, Wahhabis. Why? Ermm, because you don’t have anything to say in response. Is it? I am a member of Minhaj ul Quran International and I deny those statements, and at the same time make a request to make those ‘attempts’ faster please . Haha, you are sounding really funny to all of us here.

Preaching only one thing … and that is? Firqawariyat?? If that so, I don’t know in which part of the world you live in but boy I pity your life. I mean you spent your whole your life going to those mosques where Molvis and Zakirs preach only sectarianism!! So far I’ve never been to any such mosque Alhamdulillah! I saw Imams talking about Fazail and Seerat-un-Nabi (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) and Sahaba, Huqooq-ul-Ibaad, Fiqhi Masail, Aqaid, Aamal, almost everything but never witnessed anyone preaching sectarianism.

I guess that is some of the mosques which are under the Imaamat of Ulema who are members of Minhaj ul Quran International . If you don’t find such mosques around you, then come to me I’ll show you Wahhabi illiterate molvis, and Shia illiterate Zakirs preaching their sects all the time .

5/27/09

Moderator's Note

Naveed has not yet done with his replies,so please dont post until he is done with his answers.

The reason why he is not replying in that biased community is because they are hiding the thread after naveed answers those baseless allegations.

5/27/09

The fatawas Ala Hazrat gave against those personalities ARE Haq (and not wrong) and ARE based on solid proofs and facts.

Don’t get emotional and don’t try to make this as a ‘Universal Truth’ issue. We all are great admirers of AlaHazrat AlayheRehma and Alhamdulillaah consider his research true.

Ala Hazrat did say “man shakka fi kufrihim wa 'azaabihim faqad kafar” (whosever doubts in their apostasy and their punishment, is an apostate).

Later you babbled a lot over irrelevant things and ended up with Doc’s dream, I’d say “another dream”.

Well if that dream has anything called truth in itself then Shehzadagan-e-Bareily would’ve never condemned Doc! They would’ve hugged him the way Ala Hazrat did as if Ala Hazrat blessed Doc with faiz then Ala Hazrat should’ve also let his grandchildren know about Doc’s status. So presenting a dream as evidence is totally useless, and a dream by Doc! Well that’s lame! Don’t let me talk about his dreams pls… phhllleeease!

Dare to give same wording for Pir Mehr Ali Shah RehmatullaahAlayh then I’ll reply to your post. And as far as the dream is concerned, then those who don’t get these opportunities always doubt these holy things. Same as Kuffaar did, and used to ask Rasool Allaah SallallaahoAlayheWAsallima to show Allaah Subhana Hoo’s body. So down you go when you try to debate against this Doctor. What can I do if they don’t see AlaHazrat still and don’t get Faiz from him? This is the matter of luck boy. One should build his spiritual status rather than opposing those who are already ranked high in the spiritual ranks than them.

5/27/09

I demand the same from you and your Doc, even lets make it more simple. Just go and ask the Doc to official write the Ulema for this. Just simply write and official invitation to those Ulema and ask them to take oath in public. Remember! Its doc who is the defendant here.. so gotta make a move now. Ulema already asked him for justification a lot of times. They wont do it again and again. If your beloved Doc still interested in making himself clear, then make him do it.

He has limited time and for your little poor mind it wasn’t digestible that I told you that he is more interested in clearing the concepts of Ahl-ul-Sunnah and Islam to the whole world rather clearing his own position in front of these ‘FEW’ people.

You sure you have enough knowledge to talk over this issue? I mean really… do you?? For the reference, I’d say “google” and you’ll find it, just give it a try. Come back to me if you cant find it. I always keep cookies for kids

Haha, again the same bloody tempered video. I’ve shown it’s health in front of all my brothers and sisters. You are still crying over it. Poor chap, grow up now and buy some cookies for yourself till you grow up fully .

5/27/09

Again a lame attempt. Well consider the following statement as my reply to Doc. Deliver it to him if you can.

He doesn’t need your suggestions poor kid, I’ve already told you. Don’t try to show your stupidity again and again. He is doing what he is sent for. Your kind of people used to ‘beg’ in front of Imam Malik RehmatullaahAlayh for the same thing and he used to say, “Thing will get clear when my funeral would be prayed”

Better cut this crap off and try to find something solid against him.

Kunway ka maindak, have you heard this before?

Haha, I though it would be rash if I use this thing against those people, but you yourself did it . Thanks! And one more, ‘Empty vessels make the most noise’.

5/27/09

Either you’re just limited to Minhaji literature or just don’t wanna go anywhere else than minhaj. We have the gems among our local scholars. You talk about books defending our belief; I’d say Ala Hazrat’s books are far more than enough to defend our beliefs, let alone the rest of prestigious scholars of Ahle’Sunnah from subcontinent. You need to get out of that minhaji kunwa and see the world around you boy!

So the thing here is, Doc should’ve defended himself with all he got. Imagine what if he would’ve done that? Would we be having this debate right now if he successfully defended himself that time? I guess not!

Throughout the history, be it politics, showbiz etc, dispute is a strategy to gain fame and that’s what Doc did.

It’s sad and weird that I said ‘Local Ulema’ and you brought the great, Mujaddid e Deen o Millat in that category? Dude! You gotta grow now. Else you are going to face hard water on thousands of places in life. ‘Minhaj Kunwa’ irrigates many barren minds and is supported by many big ‘Chashmaas’ including the great AlaHazrat AlayheRehma. Better watch out your words bloody chap. About fame and disputes, he hasn’t ever asked these few people to write books or say speeches about him . And if you love to say this thing about him, then say the same thing about Imam e Azam Nauman Abu Hanifah RadiAllaahoAnho because in the whole history of Muslim Ummah, most opposition was done against that great Imam. Poor chap, think before you speak. Rather I’d say think before you open that ugly side of your tongue while talking about personalities.

5/27/09

Here you caught yourself in trouble boy… a big one! How the hell you dare to declare a Sunni Muslim as Shia! Suni sunai baato ka taa’na diye phirtay hain doosro ko aur khud ki khabar nahi!

Now see the proofs!

After Jinnah's death in September 1948, his sister Fatima and then prime minister Liaquat Ali Khan had jointly filed a petition in the Karachi high court describing Jinnah as a ''Shia Khoja Mohammedan'' and sought that his will may be executed under the Shia inheritance law. Again, when Fatima died in 1967, another sister Shirin Bai claimed her property under the Shia law.

Go to hell with your suni sunaai baatein. Where are the proofs? Why is this that whenever you talk about proofs, you think of google? Cut the crap boy. Your own writing states this matter a confusing one till the formation of Pakistan and even his own sister filed a petition in the court for him being a Shi’ite. O my goodness. Don’t play around boy. Then another sister claiming his property under Shia law. And then way after that in 70’s it was proved that he was a Sunni. I’d like to say it again, ‘Paani wich madhaani paanday aqal jinhaan nu thori’.

And a Shi’ite praying behind a Sunni Alim is not a thing to be shocked at. You considered this as a proof. Shame on you.

5/27/09

The original Khatm-e-Nabuwat movement was started in 1953 under the leadership of Allama Moulana Abul Hasnaat Qadri. Deobandis were more like black sheeps among them. Go read “Namoos-e-Mohammad ke Paasbaan” (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam). Ehtishaam-ul-Haq Thanvi called the members at his home and then got them arrested. And don’t forget to post all the authentic material you have in regard of your claim above.

What if I use your tactic here. I have given you the reference, go and find it yourself . Easy ha? I’ve clearly used the time of 73's, but your eyes are closed and your fingers are quite fast at typing stupidity. Go read it again.

Tehreek-e-Nizam-e-Mustafa (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) was just a slogan to a political coalition Pakistan National Alliance in the 1977 elections. And most of those Ulemas did face criticism from Ulema-e-Ahle’Sunnat for their collaboration with deviants.

What is the point behind writing that first line? Same is the thing which I told you, nothing changed in it. But placing a word of ‘JUST’ is a bit unfair to the efforts made at that time.

About your second line, though they were criticized but because Tahir-ul-Qadiri wasn’t present in them, none was blamed to be a deviant . Sadqay wanjaan aap ki soch pe Ahmad Sahab. Sach jaantay huay bhi ankhon pe patti.



5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad You need to think twice before mocking anyone, let alone scholars. You talking about the level of thinking and research, one who don’t know thing about anything and yet declared a Sunni as Shia! I dare you to present your research against them to prove them wrong. When kids play cricket in streets, the one who teases the most and deceives the most is called ‘Ronndlu’. Same word I’d like to use for you Mr. Ahmad. I didn’t declare him Shi’ite, he is my Quid, but at that time something else was in discussion. So don’t put everything everywhere just to satisfy your stupidity maintenance, because here people can hardly stand any sort of stupidity so beware. By which Islamic rule remaining silent means they differs the verdict? Secondly what actually you wanna prove by silence over takfir? Being silence is not authentic in regard of takfir. There should either be an affirmation or negation. Silence cant be considered authentic because there are lots of possibilities for silence, like the Mufti may haven’t seen the verdict or anything like it. However silence over takfir is a not an issue with Doc. Doc actually disapproved with the verdict even preached to pray behind those deviants. Rondlu Insaan! Can’t you get one thing when told once? He has not prayed Namaaz behind a Kafir ever! He has not said those Fatawa as baatil. He has shown silence. Possibilities I have told you earlier, that what are few of the reasons that he has shown silence over the Takfir matters of those Deobandi Craps. This word crap being used for them is only from my side because I follow Hassam ul Haramain in this regard, and yet consider this doctor a milestone in Ahl-ul-Sunnah world. A few of those reasons are as follows:- 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad ’’حضرت عبد اﷲ بن عمر رضی اﷲ عنہما سے روایت ہے کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : اسلام کی بنیاد پانچ چیزوں پر ہے : یہ گواہی دینا کہ اللہ تعالیٰ کے سوا کوئی معبود نہیں اور یہ کہ محمد صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم اللہ تعالیٰ کے رسول ہیں، اور نماز قائم کرنا، زکوٰۃ ادا کرنا، حج کرنا اور رمضان کے روزے رکھنا۔‘‘ أخرجه البخاري في الصحيح، کتاب : الإيمان، باب : قول النبي صلي الله عليه وآله وسلم : بُني الإسلام علي خمس، 1 / 21، الرقم : 8، ومسلم في الصحيح، کتاب : الإيمان، باب : بيان أرکان الإسلام ودعائمه العظام، 1 / 45 ’’حضرت سَمُرہ رضی اللہ عنہ روایت کرتے ہیں کہ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : نماز قائم کرو، زکوٰۃ ادا کرو، حج اور عمرہ کرو، استقامت اختیار کرو، تمہیں استقامت دی جائے گی۔‘‘ أخرجه الطبراني في المعجم الصغير، 1 / 99، الرقم : 136، وفي المعجم الأوسط، 2 / 298، الرقم : 2034، وفي المعجم الکبير، 7 / 216، الرقم : 6897، والمنذري في الترغيب والترهيب، 1 / 301، الرقم : 1115، وقال : رواه الطبراني في الثلاثة وإسناده جيد إن شاء اﷲ تعالي، والهيثمي في مجمع الزوائد، 1 / 45، 3 / 205 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad ’’حضرت عمرو بن مرہ جہنی رضی اللہ عنہ نے بیان کیا کہ قبیلہ قضاعہ کے ایک شخص نے رسول اﷲ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کی خدمت میں حاضر ہو کر آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم سے عرض کیا : یا رسول اﷲ! آپ اس بارے میں کیا فرماتے ہیں اگرمیں گواہی دوں کہ اﷲ تعالیٰ کے سوا کوئی معبود نہیں اور آپ اﷲ تعالیٰ کے (سچے) رسول ہیں، پانچوں نمازیں پڑھوں، ماہ رمضان کے روزے بھی رکھوں اور اس ماہ میں قیام بھی کروں اور زکوٰۃ بھی ادا کروں؟ تو حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : جو شخص اس حالت میں فوت ہوجائے وہ (روز قیامت) صدیقوں اور شہیدوں میں سے ہو گا۔‘ أخرجه ابن خزيمة في الصحيح، 3 / 340، الرقم : 2212، وابن حبان في الصحيح، 8 / 223، الرقم : 3438، والبيهقي في شعب الإيمان، 3 / 308، الرقم : 3617، والمنذري في الترغيب والترهيب، 1 / 145، 302، الرقم : 531، 1120، 2 / 64، الرقم : 1505، وقال : رواه البزار بإسناد حسن وابن خزيمة وابن حبان، والشيباني في الأحاد والمثاني، 5 / 23، الرقم : 2558، وابن رجب في جامع العلوم والحکم، 1 / 208، والهيثمي في مجمع الزوائد، 1 / 46، وقال : رواه البزار ورجاله رجال الصحيح، وفي موارد الظمآن، 1 / 36، الرقم : 19 ’’حضرت عبداللہ بن عباس رضی اﷲ عنہما نے بیان کیا کہ رسول اﷲ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے فرمایا : جس شخص نے نماز قائم کی، زکوٰۃ ادا کی، بیت اﷲ کا حج کیا، رمضان کے روزے رکھے اور مہمان نوازی کی وہ جنت میں داخل ہو گیا۔‘ أخرجه الطبراني في المعجم الکبير، 12 / 136، الرقم : 12692، والبيهقي في شعب الإيمان، 7 / 92، الرقم : 9593، وابن راشد في الجامع، 11 / 274، والمنذري في الترغيب والترهيب، 1 / 301، الرقم : 1116، 3 / 252، الرقم : 3914، وقال : رواه الطبراني في الکبير وله شواهد، والهيثمي في مجمع الزوائد، 1 / 45 If you want more, I can provide you many more. But I guess for closing your mouth, these are enough. At least, a bit of research is needed to declare a person like Doctor as a deviant Mr. Ahmad. 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad Next you talked about the list I gave of the Ulema e Karaam who took a silent stance over the Takfeer matter. And you have shown your status of mind there and nothing else. You really are a jerk Ahmad. As all they stood brave against baatils and defended Ahl-ul-Sunnah aqaaid, same is this Doctor doing. What the heck do you want to show except your jerk ness and the immense example of a damn narrow mind? Those things don’t have to do anything with the stance of silence over the Takfeer matter of those Deobandi craps, Stupid! Allah apnay Habib (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) ke sadqay Ghazali-e-Zamaa ki qabr ko Rehmat-o-Ridwan se munwarr farma de, aaj bhi unn ki tehqeeqat airay ghairay Sullah-e-Kulli natthoo khairo ka munh band karne ke liye bohut kaafi hain! Do you really want me to have a slap over your face by presenting you some undeniable proofs that Hazrat Ghazali e Zamaan was an admirer of this doctor till his death? Trust me I’d love to see you in that hard water and will see how you make those evasive tactics to save yourself. This July, I’m going to visit Darbaar-e-Ghausia and will InshAllaah meet the sons of Hazoor Ghazali-e-Zamaan if I can. Then will provide you those proofs which will stitch your bar**** mouth forever. Please show us his research over this issue, let us know what stance he has for his silence over takfir of those deobandis. A blind rondlu stupid jerk is asking for the same thing again and again. Read the above posts damn it! 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad Why you always come up with such crap talk! If you believe that the books are not changed, and still the same as they were, why don’t you go to the scholars who quoted those statement which you don’t find in Minhaj’s web library editions. Did you ever bother to contact a single scholar who wrote against Doc? No you didn’t because you simply don’t want to find the truth. Those whom I have consulted are quite trust worthy, just like the Managing Director of Minhaj-ul-Qur’an Welfare Trust (Australia), Mr. Sami Naushahi Qadiri . Let’s see how much you respect him now, your moronic twisted illogical rubbish won’t work in this discussion. I am astonished at your level of idiotism! What if it’s a 100 pages book? It contains deviated statements. If one commits a kufr and then does a lot of good deed will it cover his kufr unless he repents for it? Common sense is getting so uncommon! Idiot! Stupid! Duffer! I said that because it’s just a 100-paged book and is easy for every reader to read it in short time . I can’t believe that you could not even understand this thing and yeah when I remind that ‘Blah blah’ thing in my first answer, one can imagine how down you can go when it comes to understanding . Read the original book, not the edited one . 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad Provide any evidence that he called Ulema-e-Ahle’Sunnah for justifying his stance over this issue and they didn’t respond accordingly. However we heard and there are lots of witnesses that he was called for a munazira in South Africa where he tried to avoid the munazira and started a speech and when people got angry he and his creed ran off by jumping off the wall of the mosque. For evidence see that clip which is common all around when people talk about Diyat matter. Irfan Qadiri has got it, ask him for it . Its just an edited clip of few minutes and not the whole debate but you can see Ulema o Mashaikh on stage. South Africa issue is just not bearable. Leave that I suggest you. Its not about what missing in him, its about in which category he falls in of mujtahids and what kind of Ijtihad he can do. I’d wait for your reply to write over this issue. Well that’s a new question you have raised and definitely I’ll reply to it but need time to get it done with Mufti Sahab. InshAllaah by tomorrow will get it’s reply. We are not talking about whether difference of opinion is permissible or not. Don’t joke around bloody chap! Surely if the Ummat has consensus over this issue that women’s diyat is half as to men’s and still Dr. says that its equal to men’s then whats so disrespecting about it if we employ Dr’s ideology to his own wife? Shut your bloody ugly mouth up. Thanks for using this statement by your own fingers because I couldn’t use these harsh words for that Mufti Sahab. 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad About the health of references, the whole of Minhajians cant prove it weak let alone an individual like you. You cant just deny the references by sayings “its just a magazine” that’s doesn’t deny the authenticity by any means. The ‘attempts’ still being made are themselves a big proof of such an idiotic effort my brother . As I earlier said, if the magazine is considered to be of such a low prestige than what kept Doc writing a denial to that magazine all these years? He has been given the duty of doing much higher work than this foolish answering thingy about his own image. We his admirers are enough to test you guys’ stupidity levels. And trust me, no one of us would get even a click of doubt in his mind after reading all those corrupt lines you guys associate with him. “Professor ka jo interview 4-19 April, 1986 mein shaya kya gaya hai, humaray pass us interview ka cassette mehfooz hai. Jo koi jab kabhi chahay aa kar woh cassette sun sakta hai.” (Deed-o-Shoneed, May 7th, 1986) Bloody attempt makers are damn slow . 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad You’ve been ignoring the new sect introduced by Doc as Minhajians all this long and yet you cry over a refutal based comment! Way to go boy, way to go! Rondlu! Don’t beat about the bush. We all are Alhamdulillaah proud Sunnis and we and Doctor will die as Sunnis. If you have doubt on his Sunniyat, let’s see his comments about you: “Humari Sunniyat aur Hannafiyat per Fatway laganay walo, mein tumhein btaa doon’, tum sunni parh ker huay ho aur hum Sunniyat dekh ker huay hain. Aaqah k joron ka sadqah aisa hai, k Ghaus paak bataatay rehtay hain k Sunniyat kya cheez hai… Tumharay fatwon se kya hota hai. Allaah ki kasam agar Tahir-ul-Qadiri sunni nahi tou barr e Saghir per aaj tak koi sunni paida hi nahi hua.” Stop this bloody Minhajians, Firqah e Professoria thingy and work for Ahl-ul-Sunnah if you can. Or if you can’t, then better sit silently at your computer and watch cartoons. 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad I dare you to prove that its his statement. The header on that page loudly says “Ghair’muqallideen ki tarjumaan Al’Islam ki Shahaadat” which you totally ignored out of your fiery frustration and thought that’s its Moulana Abu Dawood Sadiq’s word. Read this post here in this thread. I have made it more clear for your little poor mind. Hope you’d be able to understand now. And if not, then can’t help you lil chap! What made him literally SHUTUP when someone lowlife magazine was ruining his image? Hard one… isn’t it? I’m interested to see your comment on the statement of Hazrat Imaam Maalik RehmatullaahAlayh that “Things will get clear when my funeral would be prayed”. Really waiting for a statement by your ugly bloody black tongue. 5/27/09 Naveed Ahmad You cant simply deny a published magazine by making such lame unauthentic personal comments. You are not a man whose word can be taken as evidence in such a case by any means. So next time when you try to deny something like this, try to come up with something more authentic. I really can you stupid. You don’t even know how to discuss on some issue? If not then let me tell you. You are the one who is claiming, and I’m defending. If you say that ‘Attempts are being made’ , then I should wait for the success of those attempts you fool. Tampered? I mean why you always say things without any evidence! I can’t help you if you are that blind that you can’t even see a person saying something and then his talk is cut. Not even his whole reply was there. He is a classical scholar of present times and was even at that time. And he its his own will that he signs some papers or not. Aqaa’id are not based on piece of paper, but the inner soul you bloody foolish stupid chap!

5/27/09

Doc aint an ordinary Muslim (atleast for you guys), he is a scholar and was a scholar that time. He didn’t even bother to ask the other scholar about Professor Idrees. But still that other scholar told him that this guys is “Maslakan Deobandi”.

I think you ears got deaf when he used the word ‘Husn e Zann’. No wonder, most of you become deaf when listening to him.

Similarly if I ask you that whether you’ll judge Thanvi’s belief by writing in Hifz-ul-Iman or by lots of other books written by him?

You poor deviant, you are yourself deviating from your statemtnt that “I agree on this. References cant be taken against a person from a book which is already written in refutal of that very person. That was simply inadequate”. What the bloody heck are you trying to do?

5/27/09

Attending Shia’s Majlis-e-Aza, enjoying the company of Deobandis, celebrating Christmas with Christians etc.
He does it only to raise the name of our Beloved SallallaahoAlayhewasallima and to defend the honor of our beloved Sahaba e Karaam. For instense, let me share an example here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVEQjpWoEZs
See it you loser. If you yourself can’t do anything, then at least let other responsible one to do so!
Wrong, its always being ambiguous till now, particularly about Deobandis/Shias.
You really need to look at the history as well. Check out whom debate made the decision that its death penalty for the Gustakh e Rasool. If you fail, tell me I’ll provide you the stuff.

5/27/09

We don’t want to learn his views. We just need a satisfactory elaboration of the allegations raised against him and so far we havnt found any.

It’s of no wonder that you become blind also when you are talking about Doctor.

Doc used such a simile for Khomieni for his political stands but did Doc ever used proper simile for his beliefs? Did Doc ever called his beliefs to be like deviants? I guess not!

No because he has strong Ahl-ul-Sunnah beliefs and you dare not to call Ahl-ul-Sunnah as deviants .

Read the underlined text. Firstly he addresses a hardcore lanti as an Imam then declared him among the Mardaan-e-Haq of Islamic history.

Read the Fatawa of Imam Sharaani and many other regarding Imam Ibn e Tehmiyah. Who gave fatwa of Kufr on him and used the word of Sheikh ul Islam with his name as well. I can’t help you loser extremist on these kind of issues.

In a nutshell, that tashbih thing wont justify the crap Doc uttered.

Don’t show me your ‘Chawal’ nutshells. They surely justify that statement which he uttered you loser!

5/27/09

Excessive travel my foot! He didnt even travel to Bareili Sharif to justify his stance to Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah TILL NOW!

I cant you any further as enough said for the one who wants to seek truth.

Your whole world of Ahl-ul-Sunnah starts and ends on Hazoor Taaj ush Shariyah and that’s your problem. Your second statement makes zero sense.

Rest of your posts will be answered soon InshAllah, however most of the important posts have been replied.

Where? Can anybody see them?

well Mind Your language and thinkinG...!!
Live with your trueth...we are not interested!!

A scrap in my Scrapbook from one of the moderators.

Allaah and His Habeeb SallallaahoAlayheWasallima know the best.

5/27/09

Ahmad Miyan, kdiher rey gaye?

5/29/09

LoL, mein tou samjha tha k woh reply nahi ker rahay leikin haqeeqat kuch aur hi nikli. Woh tou yahaan aanay se darr rahay hain . Koi baat nahi, woh waheen reh ker post ker lein aur agar mein unjoin na ker chuka hota tou mein bhi waheeen unn k mooh per jootay khainch khainch ker maarta but kya keroon itnay biased mahol mein reh na saka. Chalain, aaj unn ka reply bhi ker detay hain.. I'll post my replies till evening!

5/29/09

4 naveed

brother do join htat community n clear all doubts if u think they r wrong
bahot confusion ho raha hai

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5/29/09

Jo ilm itna guroor or nufrat paida kur da US sa tu na hona bahtur hai...Mr. Ahmad ka peecha koi bhi stupid lufz likhna sa pahla atleast bunda ki nhi Name hi ki izzat kr lo!!

Dil se ghuroor Niklay, Behr-e-Hazoor Niklay

Api I don't have any Ghuroor inside and nor I have any Nafrat for those who don't abuse those whom I and many Awliya admire. You yourself tell me would you ever spare the one who abuses Hazoor Tajashariyah? I really don't think so. So same is the case here. Though the stance told to me by Hazoor Sheikh-ul-Islam is that "Whosoever abuses me in front of you, ask him to abuse me twice more, and then again if he does so, then keep on requesting him to carry on the work". But that's his vision and wide heart. But I admire him a lot and thanks to you Brothers and Sisters who gave me the opportunity to do the research on this giant scholar.

Regarding Mr. Ahmad, when he abuses a scholar of this high eminence that even the Son of the great Sufi, Ghulam Fareed RehmatullaahAlayh, Hazrat Peer Moin-ud-Deen Koreja and many Sufi Scholars like his eminence Professor Muhammad Saeed as-Sagharji kiss his hands, does he really take care of his name? 'Tahir'? Does he really think of his repute in the whole Ahl-ul-Sunnah world? Really not. Even the so called scholars call him Tahir-ul-Padri and many names like that. What would you say on them? Api thinkin having only one view point does not clear the matter fully. One has to think from both sides. And Mr. Ahmad has just shown aggression till now, nothing positive towards knowledge, I'm really sorry to say.

I still say, I really respect you and most of the members of the community. But some have shown really a bad side of them just like Madina Munawwara Ma'am. I respect the great Adeel Bhai really from the bottom of my heart. You, Anonymous Sister and a few more whom I know. Please forgive me if I have hurt you.

5/29/09

Will continue the discussion in the same thread where it was started.

5/30/09

"Muhammedun

Naveen bhai lets continue here......letz see how much of poision people have against Sheik-ul-Islam

5/30/09

Bhai I'm posting the link here. You all can watch it out there. And since I have joined back (i.e. a few hours back), one post of mine has already been deleted .

5/30/09

@Solitary Reaper

Jo ilm itna guroor or nufrat paida kur da US sa tu na hona bahtur hai...Mr. Ahmad ka peecha koi bhi stupid lufz likhna sa pahla atleast bunda ki nhi Name hi ki izzat kr lo!!

Yea u r correct ,i must say.But I witnessed that u dint uttered a word when the name/word Qadri was mocked at.You guys replace Qadri with the word Padri and yet dont even think that u r infact mocking at the Silsila-e-Qadria.Good Work Muslims.And they consider themsleves to be of Maslak-e-Ala Hazrat RA.

5/30/09

Cont.

This was a reply to Qadim-e-Sunniat:
Khadim-e-Sunniyat
Ur post has been deleted as well.And what is the use of answering the allegations in that biased community when the thread was hidden after Naveed answered those allegations in order to prevent the members from reading the answers.
Anyhow, this thread will be closed pretty soon as it may incite others to create discord among the sunnis.
And this was copied from your community,O I m sorry,the biased community,i must say that .It was posted by one of the moderator of that community.:That's not why the thread has been hidden... It is hidden so that no other Sunni brother or sister gets a misconception
And after reading the above post of mine,Ghulam-e-Rasool (Sallalahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said:it makes me laugh
I hope its clear now.If its not,then u r not suppose to use orkut.

5/30/09

Cont.

Well i am so surprised Why our keeping of thread in SPAM made u grin...
Even posts from here are being deleted and as Mr. Done with MS declaring soon this thread will also be deleted...U think what u doing is for good reason...and what ever other do is illogical....

Keeping a thread in spam folder after naveed answered them pissed us off Madam.This particular act of the community administration shows/proves how biased the administration of that community really is.And where did I told that the thread will be deleted.I said that the thread will be closed.Go check the dictionary and u will find the difference between ''deleted'' & ''closed''.

And yes,the spamming of the thread in the midst of a debate when naveed answered the allegations is nothing but illogical/weird/absurd and doesn't make sense at all.

I feel shame for the aqeeda that make us so baised,proud and blind that we love making fun of others...

I think the members can decide who is biased and who is hiding the answers from the general public.I feel shame for the aqeeda that make u so biased and partial and yet u claim to be following Maslak-e-Ala Hazrat RA.

5/30/09

Cont.

Well many justifications regarding WHY KEPT IN SPAM? has already been given...and many things already said with very neat and clean Khuwahish to actually guide naveed...

Justification,lol.Neat and clean Khuwahish to actually guide naveed.I guess naveed is guiding u guys there.So correct ur self Madam.And he has done a remarkable job,as is evident from the posts of Sybarite who has resorted to the age old tactings of abusing and making personal comments.Job well done Naveed.

Any person with slightest of sense will laugh at the lame justification given by U guys for hiding that thread.

Jazak Allah Khairun brother.

5/30/09

Naveed

Bhai I'm posting the link here. You all can watch it out there. And since I have joined back (i.e. a few hours back), one post of mine has already been deleted

Lol.Thats why I insisted u to post here in this community.Now pretty soon,I guess, u will be banned as well .

5/30/09

Rahi baat uss community mein anay ki tu aisi community per tu thookna bhi gawara nahi karta jaha members ba'qaida thread bana kar community members ki counting karnay masroof hun! Keep up the "good work" but expect me to show up on such a place.
I can understand your frustrtation level.As far as counting members is concerned,then I m sure the members of Ala Hazrat Community would have been around 30k by now ,provided the extremists like u are kicked out of that community.

5/30/09

And still they claim to be from Maslak-e-Ala Hazrat RA

5/30/09

We are on Haq and we know that. So that's why I'm trying to sum it up in a bit logical way. Hope it clears their minds and shows them the way?

All my brothers here:

I hope that you will not be angry if I make this attempt. As this wasn't a cricket match so there wasn't anythink like gain or loss. So I have tried to show them a final source of light which is Tasawwuf. Hope they open their eyes now. What you brothers say?

5/31/09

"Muhammedun

Well naveed bro these people have been putting baseless allegations on Shaykh ul Islam since past 20 years.....

When people from minhaj ul quran asked Shaykh ul Islam R.A to give asnwers to their stupid question .....Shaykh ul Islam said "I have to do a lot of work for Ahlus Sunnah, I have the responsibility of deen on my shoulders, I want to serve the deen brought by our Beloved Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wasallam, If I start giving answers to their question then my life will be spent answering their question...but I want to please Beloved Prophet Sallahu Alaihi Wasallam by serving his deen"

We love Shaykh-ul-Islam for his purity and his strong will to fill our hearts with love of Allah and his Beloved (S.A.W.S), we can defend him as long as we can but we should remember one thing that Allah S.W.T himself raises the respect and loved of his awliyea in the hearts of momins......thats the reason even after lots of false efforts to defame Shaykh ul Islam, his respect and love is rising every day round the globe

May Allah give him a long life and keep his shadow on us...Ameen

5/31/09

Shazia

wts going on,y fights.

5/31/09

Fight for Haqq will be there till the last hour. I have made certain arrangements which can make positive move towards the Unity of Ahl-ul-Sunnah Wal Jama`ah. InshAllaah I'll be waiting for their reply now .

6/5/09

I have contacted Hazrat Maulana Haji Imdad-Ullah Qadiri Naeemi Sahib (The former President of Department of Education at Jameya Naeemiya and Current Head of Minhaj-ul-Quran Ulema Council Punjab) today and we both with another senior member of Minhaj-ul-Quran decided that we will prepair a proper invitation for inviting Hazoor Tajashariyah here to Lahore, at Minhaj-ul-Quran's centre on behalf of the leading Ulema from the Ulema Council and most probably Dr. Raheeq Ahmad Abbasi Qadri would also be included in the list. It will be a humble request rather.

Today when I was driving through to the Jameya Naeemia's branch in Kaahna, where he is the Khateeb and Imaam of that Dar-ul-Uloom, it was the time of Zohar and trust me brothers and sisters even that immense amount of heat wasn't hurting me because I was going there for the very first and initial step towards the work which every sincere Sunni has been looking for since very long. I'm sure that we will come back with all our force and will strike the Najdi Forces with our combined researches. And that will be the time when people will feel AlaHazrat's presence again because it was due to his strict Fatwas and deep research which saved the sounds of

"Mustafa Jaan-e-Rehmat Pe Lakhon Salaam,
Shamma-e-Bazm-e-Hidaayat Pe Lakhon Salaam"

in Sub-continent. InshAllaah Azzawajal. I need your support my friends, I really do!

6/9/09

◘♥Nadeem♥

AS SALAAM MU ALIEKUM

Naveed bhai jitni tarif ki jaaye appke kaam ki kam hogi per itna hai ke appke account me nekiyaa aur sawab itna bharega Insah Allah ke gumaan bhi nahi kar sakte app

I appriciate ur work Naveed bhai Masha Allah issi taraah se yuhi kaam karte jaaye aur malumaat dijiye humsabko

ALLAH appne Mehboob sal lal la hu alehi wasalaam ke sadke tufail Appko iska behtarin azar de

Ameen Suma Ameen

6/10/09

Any website of Jameya Naeemia

6/10/09

Not really, but what you want to ask brother? I'm directly in contact with a very senior member of Jameya Naeemia i.e. Hazrat Maulana Haji Imdad-u-Allaah Qadiri Naeemi (Former president of Department of Education at Jameya Naeemia).

6/10/09

JazaakAllaah for prayers Nadeem Bhai . But filhaal tou mujey gaaliyan hi mil ri hain, inshAllaah umeed hai akhirah mein Allaah k iss wali aur issi silsilay mein Deen k liye yeh adnaa sa kaam hi bakhshish ka zariya bann jaye.. Ameen!

6/10/09

As'Salaam-o-Alaikum Guys!

Ahh feeling so good, and you know what Madina Munawwara Api? I can feel more of AlaHazrat's Faiz over here than there. Don't know why:S. So yea, finally I got deleted my fellows .

You just love AlaHazrat, we love him and also learn from him. That's the major difference between you and us. Make an attempt of going to any of the MQI centre and see your sisters and brothers working there in Research Centres for the Deen. I was really shocked and felt so great that our youth is so worried about their age-fellows when I visited the Fareed-e-Millat Research Centre here at Lahore.

But your problem is the blind Aqeedat. With due respect, tell me of one single Ilmi Khidmat of Hazoor Tajashariyah except his Fatawa. Just one? And on the other hand I'd just like to tell one example of Hazoor Sheikh-ul-Islam's work. After Musnad Imam Ahmad bin Humbal, Irfan-us-Sunnah is the only Zakhira of about 40,000 Ahadith which would be available for us i.e. Ahl-ul-Sunnah very soon. This is just one example.

Jis khaiti kai mooli hou waheen jao ... iss baagh mai moolioun kee jaggah nahi hai !!

Don't know since when orkut has also started the agricultural activities? Bagh, Khaiti, what rubbish? Are these the words you use for the Deen? If yes, then 'Lakum Deenukum Wali Yadeen'. Baagh tou sirf ek hi hai aur woh hai mera Shehr-e-Madinah jahaan Gul-e-Gulzaar qeyaam pazeer hai. Baaqi tou ussi baagh se mehknay walay bagheechay hain jesa k meray AlaHazrat ka Bareli Shareef, meray Khwaja jee ka Ajmer Shareef, meray Ghaus-ul-Wara ka Baghdaad Shareef. Meri aukaat dikhana na dikhaana Islam se kisi bhi angle se talluk nai rakhta jee. Kinn chakron mein paray ho? Community se nikaal diya yeh ker dia woh ker diya iss se kya ho ga? Mujey tou aap per haqeeqat kholni thi aur woh mein Alhamdulillaah ker chuka. Rahi baat deny kernay ki tou woh aap ka haqq. Mein kaun hoon aap se cheen'nay wala? Allaah keray meray Adeel Bhai ko Noor-e-Ilaahi ataa ho jaaye. Ameen..

6/10/09

Rahi baat unn great scholars ki tou woh research tou jaari rahay gi aur Mr. Ahmad k mooh pe maar k rahoon ga. Taakeh woh apna yeh 'padri' word aur logon k liye bhi use ker sakain .

6/11/09

Aamir

My viewpoint on Sheikh ul Islam (Rahimuhullah)

As Salamu Alaykum Warahmatullah

I have heard that some people consider me to be against Sheikh ul Islam Dr Tahir ul Qadri (Rahimuhullah). I just want to clarify that Dr Sahab is Sheikh ul Islam and one of the leading authorities of Islam in my sight. I have high respect for him and he is Alhamdulillah a Luminary who has brought thousands of people out of darkness.

May Allah grant Dr Sahab a long life and give us space in his feet.

Co-owner of orkut's biggest community on Islam

Muhammad Aamir Ibrahim

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6/11/09

"Muhammedun

6/11/09

These one eye blind Tahiri buffoons are simply "Kunway ke Maindak". Iss Tahiri Kunway se bahir nikal kar dekho gay tu kuch pata chalay ga na!

Alhamdulillaah I have two perfect eyes meray Bhai. "Kunway ke Maindak" ka khitaab aap per boht jachta hai, pata aap ko? Abhi proof bhi diye deta hoon don't worry. Aur iss se nikalnay ki fursat tab milay na jab iss ka pani khatm ho jaye? Iss mein tou paani ka woh zakhira hai jo rehti duniya tak rahay ga inshAllaah .

About Hazrat's Ilmi Khidmaat you referred his Fatawa as they are nothing. The whole world, including Deobandi/Wahabiya accepts that Fatawa-e-Razawiya is a masterpiece among the rest of Ala Hazrat's work. I mean even Deobandiya/Wahabiya knows the magnificence of Fatawa!

What's your problem? I mean why do you want to fight every now and then? Did I say anything like 'its nothing'? For God's sake, don't prove yourself to be a empty-minded extremist again and again.

Do we need a compilation of Hadith more than Fatawa in this era where Muslims dont even know the masail of Wudhu and Ghusl? Do you really think that compilation of Hadith helps the Muslims masses more than Fatawa? Hazrat's visit to Syria alone describes his status!

Rahay na kunwain k maindak? Go and ask Ulema that how much they need of this compilation and how much they are waiting for this. And by the way even those who oppose him, speak on Jummah after listening to his CD's . Even they copy his astonishing style of speech while doing so.

Besides Azharul Fatawa and Safeena-e-Bakhshish Hazrat wrote;

Phir tum humein Kunwain k Maindak kehtay ho, aur sharmaatay bhi nahi. Laanat hai tum pe. You have given a list of total 27 boos. Man if I start counting the books written by his eminence Hazoor Sheikh-ul-Islam then you'll find youself in hard water of that kunwa, mind it! Over 1400 books have been written and are gradually coming out in market. Round about 350-400 books are available in market. Which include masterpieces like:

6/11/09

¬ Kitaab-ut-Tauheed (Book written in response of the Magazine by Abd al-Wahhab Al-Najdi "Kitaab-ut-Tauheed which clearly removes every misconception in the belief of Tauheed supported with strong and undeniable references which is on two zakheem editions)

¬ Irfan-ul-Quran (After Kanz-ul-Iman there was a gap in a translation which could remove all sorts of misconceptions regarding the beliefs of Ahl-ul-Sunnah because normal readers like you and me are not that much capable of understanding the high level of the wording used in Kanz-ul-Iman)

¬ Al Irfan-us-Sunnah (I have already told you it's great great importance and its coming after a huge gap after Musnad of Imam Ahmad Bin Humbal, a great asset for Pakistani Muslims)

¬ Al Minhaj-ul-Sawih (Another collection of around 1100 Ahadith which is a handy book and is sufficient for the daily lectures delivered by Ulema. Ulema carry it with them all the time, I myself have seen it.)

¬ Milad-un-Nabi (Which carries undeniable proofs of this blessed event)

¬ Kitaab-ut-Tawassul (It's name says it all)

Hundreds of more masterpieces are available for everyone. Even for you "Kunwain k Maindak" .

6/11/09

Minaraye Noor

@ naveed

6/11/09

As many of my friends are his mureeds and many of the so called Ulema consider him the soul authority in Islam (though he is not an ordinary authority), so I thought its better to convince him rather than having fiery debates here.

I have got his contact number and most probably we will wait for Mr. Raheeq Ahmad Abbasi Qadiri to come back to Lahore for sending him the invitation. I hope he will not refuse an official invitation from senior officials of MQI. Most probably in Ramadan we will hold this meeting because that's the only event when Dr. Sahib spares time for meetings.

6/11/09

¬ Kitaab-ut-Tauheed (Book written in response of the Magazine by Abd al-Wahhab Al-Najdi "Kitaab-ut-Tauheed which clearly removes every misconception in the belief of Tauheed supported with strong and undeniable references which is on *two zakheem editions)

*two zakheem volumes.

6/11/09

Naveed

MashaAllah brother.You did a great job once again.Last night they banned you and then today they unbanned you.And still they claim that ''We'' dont have answers.

How could one have a discussion in an environment where the moderators are constantly threatens you with a ban!!!But still you have done a remarkable job.

But I am sure that you will be banned pretty soon,because thats what they can do when they run out of answers.

And coming back to mocking and abusing of scholars,well the members of that community has started objecting and rightly said that Imam Ahle Sunnat Ala Hazrat RA would have never approved/liked all these mocking and abusing.

Those fanatics are just defaming the name of the great Mujaddid.

6/11/09

Do we need a compilation of Hadith more than Fatawa in this era where Muslims dont even know the masail of Wudhu and Ghusl? Do you really think that compilation of Hadith helps the Muslims masses more than Fatawa? Hazrat's visit to Syria alone describes his status!

ROFL...>What a lame justification.When wahabis/deobandis confront sunnis with their fatwa of shirk/biddat,then are we suppose to deal with them with the Fatwas ?

6/11/09

ROFL...>What a lame justification.When wahabis/deobandis confront sunnis with their fatwa of shirk/biddat,then are we suppose to deal with them with the Fatwas?

Best slap one can ever give on a moron's face.

6/12/09

Minaraye Noor

@ Naveed

Whenever he talks about that South African incident I get blood boiled. The moment I remind Hazoor Sheikh-ul-Islam's sayings on it, I just stop my fingers from writing down the reality. I wish he allow me to expose all those craps who were involved in such... Duh!

i also wanna know about it. i don't believe that Person like Dr. Sahab can run like this.
plz give me the link of Dr Sahab's speech about it.
thanks.

6/12/09

All these buffoons would have died till today if he would make a public speech in this regard my brother . Even we, the members of Minhaj-ul-Quran International are not allowed to expose it off because directly or indirectly it hurts a Sunni cause. Even the main charecter of that whole event Mr. Tony Adams (a reverted Muslim now Alhamdulillaah), when said that I want to call a press briefing, Hazoor Sheikh-ul-Islam didn't allow it. For a bit of hint, this is the same charecter which is presented as "Padri apnay ek sathi k kandhay per charh ker deewar phalaang geya!" . I know the whole incident and I also know which bloody people were involved but I'll not reveal it openly here. I'll talk to you sometime privately on messenger. But right now, I'm working on that 'Padri' word being associated with Dr. Sahib, InshAllaah by tonight I'm going to post some really major things here. Keep your fingers crossed brothers .

6/12/09

Mohsin (Away)

I dont have that words for this great personality, Shaykh-ul-Islam is doing great work for Islam, and he is completely following Sunnah of Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. Unfortunately some people have totally gone mad blind behind some ridiculous fatwas and i cant even imagine that one can get so much blind after these fatwas that to them even Sirat and Sunnah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم has no value in front of their fatwas. this is what we call Molvi Parasti. May Allah save us all from this fitna.
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We should always try to accept whatever that is according to Quran and Sunnah and reject whatever that is against Quran and Sunnah. Mager jin kay dil or demag fatwon kay again band hojain unhin na Quran nazer ata hai na Hadith.
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Shaykh-ul-Islam is doing his job With hikmah which is the Sunnah and Order of Quran:
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. ادْعُ إِلَى سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ وَجَادِلْهُم بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
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اے رسولِ معظّم!) آپ اپنے رب کی راہ کی طرف حکمت اور عمدہ نصیحت کے ساتھ بلائیے اور ان سے بحث (بھی) ایسے انداز سے کیجئے جو نہایت حسین ہو، بیشک آپ کا رب اس شخص کو (بھی) خوب جانتا ہے جو اس کی راہ سے بھٹک گیا اور وہ ہدایت یافتہ لوگوں کو (بھی) خوب جانتا ہے
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(O Glorious Messenger!) Invite towards the path of your Lord with strategic wisdom and refined exhortation and (also) argue with them in a most decent manner. Surely your Lord knows him well who strayed away from His path and He also knows well the rightly guided.[16:125]
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Afsos Jo shaks aj isi hikmat kay tehad non-muslims or different sects kay logon ko Haq or Hidayat ki terf la raha hai aaj usi per hum fatway bazi ker rahay hain.... afsos!
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I do not have more words, even this is not enough:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g54WSnwGXAs

6/12/09

Padri Kaun aur Kyun?

These days, we have narrowed our minds and have limited the knowledge. One who has the knowledge, the people around him bound him to put veils on it and simply go against the very own traditions.

These days similar kind of case is in front of our eyes. A while ago, Dr. Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri allowed the Christians brothers to come to the Minhaj-ul-Quran mosque whenever they wish to and even offer their prayers if they want. Some illiterate people who just have a bit of Islamic knowledge started calling him as ‘Padri’ (Pope) and ignored the whole history of the most perfect creation of this universe, the ‘Rehmatal-lil-Alameen’ and our own Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم). Today people have lost everything and even the Knowledge.

Today I’m here to reveal this word ‘Padri’ and also to ask a simple question from those who use this word very openly and happily. Let’s go back to the time of our Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم).

6/12/09

First Proof:

Whenever any foreigner Non-Muslim delegations came in the Barigah-e-Noori صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, He صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم Himself used to take care of every thing. Thus, when a Christian delegation from Ethiopia came to Madinah in his barigah He صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم made them to stay inside Masjid-e-Nabwi صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم and himself took the responsibility of their hospitality and said:

“These people are special and prestigious for our companions, that’s why I liked to take care of their respect and honor and hospitality by myself”.

References:
1. Sahih Bukhari: 3:1154, Hadith No. 2995
2. Shawkani, Neel al-Awtaar: 7:155
3. Sin’ani, Sibl al-Islam: 4:69

Comment:

Today when somebody tries to show the right image of Islam to the whole world following the true soul of Islam and the holy teachings of Muhammad-e-Mustafa صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم then people tag him with words like ‘Padri’. I’d really like to ask those Muftis and all those people including many stupid ones as well that what would they say now? I’m really waiting for the reply.

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