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6/12/09 Therefore, if people like calling Dr. Tahir-ul-Qadri as ‘Padri’ (kafir) then people can find that they have left Islam, according to the words of the Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, in less than a second because its proved from the authentic Ahadith that only the act of calling Christians into mosques or allowing them to pray their does NOT turn a staunch Muslim into a Padri Kafir.
6/12/09 Simply Awesome!! Superb Work Brother.
6/12/09 I agree brother, but all the five fingers of a hand are not equal. "Umeed pe duniya qaaim hai" you know 6/13/09 @ naveed but brother if u will not say the truth then people have no oprtion but to believe them. so Dr. Sahab should think about this. and tell me when u want to talk me on messenger. i will wait for that because i want to know the truth. 6/13/09 AlaHazrat's Faizan on Shaykh ul Islam http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v68obrzoCrY 6/13/09 I've explained the whole incident in my response to those questions bhai. In 1st or 2nd question I guess. And they denied it by just saying 'Yet another dream' 6/13/09 ^^
6/13/09 @ ^^ thanks for differentiation that above post was for mohsin and not for me.
6/13/09 LoL I knew. 6/13/09 Obviously they will deny it, they have no other choice..... akhir fatwon ko bachana bhee tou hai ... Top of Form |
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6/13/09 Answer to Sybarite on Alahazrat Community Now comes the important part. Huzoor (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed them to pray in Masjid-e-Nabawi and they did offer their prayers as per their own customs. If you look the whole event and other reports from ahadith its evident that Huzoor (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed them to pray because they came to know about Islam and its beliefs and if they were not allowed to pray they would have gone back to Nijran without knowing the truth about Islam. And for that, as a wise and humble approach to call them towards Islam Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed them to pray.
6/13/09 Raheem Bhai
6/13/09 @Mohsin Very well said...Huzoor Sheikh-ul-Islam's main focus is to spread the love of Nabi Kareem Sallallahu Alaihi Wa Sallam among the muslims around the world and to refute the mis-conceptions about Islam that are distorting the image of Islam as a religion round the globe.
6/14/09 To Sybarite (About Celebrating Mawlid-e-Esa A.S) So saying Merry Christmas is more like saying “Merry sacrifice of Jesus”! And thus your Padri who proudly did cut the cake which said “Merry Christmas”, isnt it kind of celebrating the death, the sacrifice of Jesus?
6/14/09 we have must important issues to figure out today as muslim rather than fighting on minor issues , 6/14/09 Salam alai kum
6/14/09 Saifi Bhai
6/16/09 Safi bhai
6/16/09 Sybarite You've been replied till now, almost word by word so now try to act decent and rather than jumping into another discussions like that Christianity and Christmas ones, get that official stuff.
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| 6/16/09 4 sayed sahab he is mojaddid
6/17/09 Answer to Sybriate Just give me one single hadith or anything authentic which proves that what Allah has declared impermissible can be declared permissible just by having a good niyyat.
6/17/09 Answer to sybraite One request, Bad-gumani say bachiye, Islam Bad-gumani kernay say mana kerta hai. or jahan tak intentions ki baat hai wo banday kay amal kirdar ikhlaq say pata chalti hain, ager Maz-Allah Dr Sahab wakaee wo intentions rakhtay jin ka aap nay ilzaam lagaya hai tou phir wo Christianity kay liye kam kertay na kay is deen-e-Islam kay liye.
6/17/09 Do members think there will some positive result of this blaming tactics adopted by both.
6/17/09 To Sybraite Ehm ehm.. Hey Naveed, its that how MQI's student replies in detail?
6/17/09 To Sybraite And about good intentions, did you really look into my heart, that I am not looking for answers and all that? I mean how did you judge that, please answer
6/17/09 To Sybraite ro kon raha hai ye tou sab ko nazer araha hai....I have already answered to ur posts, if something is left then highlight it, otherwise run away like deobandis, mujhay bhee aisay logon say baat kerna ka koi shok nahi jin kay dil demag fatwon kay peechay band ho chukay hon. 6/17/09 To Sybarite Firstly you took just one single paragraph of my post from the session of June 13th and replied it, ignoring all the other material I posted in that session. Then a day later you replied another paragraph from that very session of June 13th and ignoring whats written before and after that paragraph totally!
6/17/09 to Sybarite And yeah dont you dare to call me brother. Pehlay bhi bata chuka ke mere ye gaali hai, truly offensive to be a brother of your kind so bajaye rishtay bananay ke try to answer the posts adequately. I wont reply to your weeping. Readers are mature enough to decide who is running from what
6/17/09 Hehe..brother im bound to call u brother, again just becz of Nisbat, since u have nisbat with Rasul Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam so becz of this nisbat i m considering u my brother, else i have no interest in u.
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| 6/18/09 Bhai plz yeh links visits karain aap ko pata chal jay ga ke Dr.Tahir Ul Qadri Sb. kon hain.
6/18/09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIAr3BxmE7s
6/18/09 Ahle Sunnat wal jammat ki haqeeqat kiya hai ?
6/18/09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC6faEZAkJE
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6/18/09 Nai nai sirf Hazoor Tajashariyah apnay Fatwa se pehlay tahqeeq kertay hain baqi sab tou hain hi nahi itnay ilm k maalik, unn ki Wilaayat se inn ko koi saro kaar nahi, kyun Ahmad Bhai? 6/18/09 Reply to Sybarite Sorry Brother due to long power failure i would not be able to reply u early, but Alhumdolillah Now im back with the answers to ur raised objections.
6/18/09 And if that’s the case then why only Christians are allowed to pray in Masajid?
6/18/09 Brother ager ap is hadith ka context dekho or ye malom kero kay unhin kiyon expel kiya gaya tou baat clear hojati hai, at that time Jews and Christians were planning against Muslims, wo Mulims ki ser zameen per musalmanon kay he khilaaf sazhisin ker rahay thay. Musalmanon kay khilaf bagawat ki waja say expel kiya gaya. Is liye un ko nikala gia.
6/18/09 Khud dekhiye abhi aap nay expel kernay ki baat ki aab aap khud kehtay hain:
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| 6/18/09 Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) been humble towards them and yet denied their blasphemous beliefs. And what your Padri did? He just jumped around with Christians, celebrated Christmas which is a Catholic event and that too with pagan roots and kept his mouth shut about their blasphemous belief.
6/18/09 Dr sahib kay case mai, Abhi Christians Islam ko as a terrorist, as a extremist religion samjhtay hain, abhi immediately unhin refute kiya jata tou samnay say wo yahi kehtay ka aap ka religion tou hai he terrorism or extremism aap kia humin terrorism or extremism ki dawat denay aaye hain …?
6/18/09 Ye sab bazari baatin hain, jin ka hakikat say door tak koi talluq nahi. Ager maz-Allah Dr Sahab ki niyat mai kharbi hoti tou Kabhi Allah in per itna karam na kerta or kabhi in say deen ki itnee khidmat ka kaam na layta. Jis Shaksiyat per Allah or us kay Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ka itna karam ho, jis ka her lamha deen ki baka kay liye deen ko zindah kernay kay liye logon kay dilon mai Eshq-e-Mustafa صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم dalnay kay liye or logon ka Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم say rishta jornay kay liye guzray us per isterha kay ghatiya ilzam lagana sirif apnay zaati bughz or jalan or hazad or nafrat ka izhar hai or kuch nahi.
6/18/09 And why not celebrating the birthday of all the other Prophets?
6/18/09 I told u whatever Christians define this word is their belief not ours, so we have nothing to do with their meanings and believe what our mission and our strategy is, that to spread Islam with wisdom. U are continuously taking its wrong meanings, if we suppose that u are correct then Dr Sahab would have wrote books on Christianity not on Islam, he would have delivered lectures on Christianity not on Islam, people watching and listening him would have been converted to Christianity not to Islam!
6/19/09 So now Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah is in the list of illiterate people for the creed of Padri. Good to see that you black sheeps finally revealed your filthy selves. Its no wonder if you declare each and every scholar as illiterate people who oppose your Padri as this is the best you can do! I know what you gonna do next. You'll start crying that "that statement wasnt for Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah" but we all heard Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah as well as Hazrat Allama Kokab Noorani calling that buffoon Padri!
6/19/09 InshAllaah truth is going to be revealed soon 6/19/09 (O Glorious Messenger!) Invite towards the path of your Lord with strategic wisdom and refined exhortation and (also) argue with them in a most decent manner(in a way that is better.)… [16:25]
6/19/09 Mera Tahir Salaamat rahay... 6/19/09 Sybarite First of all, inviting Christians to pray in Masajid is not the only reason why your Padri been addressed as Padri. There are others reasons too, like he declares them “Believers”. I assume you don’t need the proof for this and if you do, just ask me.
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| 6/19/09 Now lets see the teachings of Quran-o-Hadith in this regard;
6/19/09 ''O believer! Do not take the Jews and Christians as friends, they are friends of each other among themselves, and whoso of you makes them his friends, then he is one of them. Undoubtedly Allah guides not the people unjust.
6/19/09 Who is seeking the assistance and who is seeking the help and all? Were you at drugs while quoting these Holy Ayaat?
6/19/09 Then after you went on blindly quoting the Ahadith Paak as if Dr. Sahib is every now and then seen with the Christians in Churches? Why the hell are you so stupid? By no means you have denied that the act of calling him a Padri just because of those acts of allowing Christians to pray inside the mosque and celebrating the Mawlid of Isa AlayheSalaam is out of Islam, in fact it is proved from the Sunnah that Christians STAYED inside Masjid-e-Nabwi and Prophet SallallaahoAlayheWasallima took care of those Christians by himself. Naveed wrongly typed those references there. Follow this one for that Hadith : Ibn-e-Katheer, al-Seerat-ul-Nabwi: 2:31.
6/19/09 Remember those words of Mufti Akhtar Raza when he said that he is doing Christian-Nawaazi and so it’s of no harm to call him a Padri? Now tell me who is doing that so called Christian-Nawaazi 6/19/09 During the period of Hazrat Umar, a Muslim killed a non-Muslim, on this he wrote a letter to them in which he wrote “Killer should be handed over to the family of the slain. If they want to kill him they can kill him or if they want forgive him they can. Thus he was handed over to the family of the slain and was killed.
6/19/09 Christian Nawazi 6/19/09 Sybarite,with love First of all get over this "buddy buddy" kiddie-nonsensical crap! Its more like a gaali to me to be a buddy of such a retard like you, so please spare me the horror!
6/19/09 4 Obaid how could he expect you to follow Hadith.For you,fatwa comes first
6/19/09 Sybarite And about "and after you saw those refutations,it was then that the administration decided to spam that thread", well I came into this way after that thread thrown to spam and I was the one who requested Naveed to hold his horses till I read the whole thread and then talk there rather than jumping around other threads. You can ask Naveed about that. So technically I was the one who brought this thread out of spam.
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| 6/19/09 salaam alaikum.
6/19/09 Sybarite
6/19/09 @All I appreciates the efforts done by Naveed bhai and Obaid Bhai, both are doing great by providing references, but i want to request one thing, and this is for me as well that is we should stay calm humble and peaceful against the harsh and aggressive attitude of Sybarite (Ahmed). Even sometime I also got mad and start using harsh words, but seriously it has no effect, rather it will result in more deviation hatred aggression between sunnies. So I’ll try to keep calm and request u all to do the same as Shaykh-ul-Islam use to follow this way.
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6/19/09 Moderator Note! Subhan Allah Nasir Bhai .. Nice to know about your honest and modest approach .. May Allah give you immense ajr for leaving those extremists.
6/19/09 yaar close this discussion , here and in other community , no need to discuss it leave the matter to ulemas , we should concentrate on islah work 6/19/09 SAiFi Naqshbandi Bhai ask this thing to Sybrite and others in there Ala Hazrat community,we have not started this fight. WHY DONT YOU GIVE IT A LAST TRY??? 6/19/09 Saifi Bhai
6/19/09 I was away but now Insha Allah I will be actively monitoring this discussion.
6/19/09 Congratulations to both of my brothers ...
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