MREHAN or MREHAN15

Haqq phailta rahay, Ameen .

6/19/09

If you don't mind brothers, I have another thing to share .

When people talk about Dr. Sahib's stance over the Fatawa of AlaHazrat AlayheRehma then they normally show a statement which is a bit like this:-

"Aala Hazrat's Fatawa of Kufr in Husaamul Haramain against Ashraf AIi Thanwi, Rashid Ahmed Gangohi, Khaleel Ahmed Ambhetwi and Muhammad Qaasim Nonotwi, although correct then, but it is NOT APPLICABLE TODAY? (Null and void)".

People who claim this thing, normally use the following names as the witnesses of the event which they claim that took place at the residence of Syed Wajahat Rasool Sahib. The names they usually give are as under:-

"At residence of Saiyyid Wajaa'at Rasool Qaadri and in the presence of the following individuals; Hazrat Allamah Kaukab Noorani Okarvi, Saiyyid Riaasat Ali Qaadri, Hajee Shafee Muhammad Qaadri, Professor Majeedul Qaadri and his former supporter and sympathiser Hazrat Maulana Ghulaam Haider Saiyidi, he uttered these words.

Now lets see the following words of Syyed Riasat Ali Qadri (the founder of Tehkeeqat-e-Imam Ahmad Raza Foundation):-

"Professor Tahir-ul-Qadri's message is just Hubb-e-Rasool, may Allaah makes his Mission and his Organization successful. Secondly I want to state that I'm the Mureed and Khalifah of Allama Mustafa Raza Khan Sahib (younger son of AlaHazrat), trust me if anybody from Pakistan is spreading the mission of AlaHazrat AlayheRehmat then it's only Professor Tahir-ul-Qadri. I've witnessed it myself throughout the world that the strength he has given to the mission of AlaHazrat AlayheRehmat, nobody has done it so far. Professor Tahir-ul-Qadri is AlaHazrat's Glory, Grace, his Identity and to be honest he is the biggest follower of AlaHazrat AlayheRehmat. All the Razvis should support him".

6/20/09

Lanat on Yazeed

Long Live Shaykh ul Islam Tahir ul Qadri Sahib !

May Allah reward you for your magnificient work !

His work for Uniting sunies and Shias is really awe inspiring.mashAllah

Very Nice work by Naveed & Mohsin bro.

6/20/09

ajmal

By th way Hazrat Justice Peer Karam Shah Al-Azhari was supporter of Qasim Nanotvi ... i ve written letter of him in which he (Peer karam) praised Qasim Nanotvi.

I will give letter to Naveed . He can use it where he want as a reference.

6/20/09

Oye Ajmal bhai,....Apki kami mehsoos horahi thi yaar idhar.....MashaALlah...wo bhi poori kardi apne.......

6/20/09

"Muhammedun

Great Work done by Brother Naveed....I not only appriciate your work but I loved the way you defened Shaykh-ul-Islam and proved the truth!

Brother I have so much in my heart to say about your work , also so much to write to support you a little bit but unfortunatly I do not much time to write, thats the draw back of living in States

I would definately like to show your work to Shaykh ul Islam if I get a chance.

Mera Taher (R.A) Salamat Rahe
Mustafa (S.A.W.S) ki hai kali Taher ul Quadri
Jeeve Jeeve Taher Jeeve

6/20/09

Mohsin Bhai

I apologise brother for using harsh language and InshaAllah I will make sure that I dont use such language in future.But I must say that I was forced to use such language after being provoked by Sybarite.
Thanks for reminding brother.InshaAllah we will make sure that we dont indulge in such language in future.
In this video clip,Sheikh ul Islam talks about Tasawwuf.A beautiful speech in context of the current scenario.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B-LtyTIGHo
Jazak Allah Khair Brother.

6/20/09

4 all members

i have deleted all my post
as i got the wrong meaning of what
sag e Alahazrat
wanted to say
Astagfirullaha Rabbi min kulli zambiu waatubu ilaih

i render my apologies for that
since it was a mistake from my side

4 Obaid
thanking u for clearing my doubts
may u be blessed

6/20/09

JazaakAllaahu Khairan Katheera Brothers. Really I'm nothing, it's all just because of you brothers that I have been able to do this little work for such a great Wali of Allaah and a Beloved Ghulam of the Beloved Rasool Allaah. Thank you very much for all the appreciations.

Karbala, Ashfaq Bhai

Thank you very much Brothers. And Ashfaq Bhai why don't you mail me the stuff? I'll be waiting for it. And hey I'm not being able to add you up, please send me the request (I know it's silly to discuss it here though ).

Obaid Bhai

Bundle of thanks for clearing my posts to Ghulam -e- Rasool Bhai. You have already done so much for all of us. Thank you Bhai. And we are witnessing your efforts already that truth is reaching the hearts of people.

Ajmal Bhai

Haan haan bhai waiting for it. And Obaid Bhai is correct, we were really missing you here. Though you were doing all the work 'Chupkay Chupkay' but we wanted your own fingers to work here too .

@All

Guys most of the work I present is always provided to me by Ajmal Bhai. I just edit/translate it and present it here. The main source of most of the work after those replies to the 12 or 14 questions at start, is Ajmal Bhai.

Ghulam -e- Rasool

Thank God that you got the thing now Bhai . Mein AlaHazrat ka Sag ho ker wesa keh sakta?

6/20/09

How to answer aggressive abusive language

Weapon of Sufis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLmmsGLH7eI

6/21/09

Answer to Sybarite

That wasn’t a GENERAL scenario. Those Christians came all the way from Nijran and there was no place for them to offer their prayers.
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Bhai tou kia zameen short hogaee thee ? wahan kia open space nahi thee ? Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم kisi separate jaga per un kay liye prayers ki space dedicate ferma sakthay thay ya nahi ?...why Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم selected Masjid-e-Nabvi the most Muqadas place on universe for this ? why not any other place ?
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And according to u if there is no other place then Christians are allowed to pray at Masjid, but if there is other place (church) then they are banned to pray in masjid !… does this makes any sense ? Prophet’s صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم allowed them to pray at masjid this shows that how much Prophet’s care about them how much importance and rights are given to non muslims, what is the top level of Ikhlaq Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم have for non muslims, how much He صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم was kind for them.
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Don’t interpret hadiths according to ur wishes, and mind it by interpreting in this wrong way u are denying the beautiful top class Qualities like Iklaq, tolerance, love, heartiness, hospitality, kindness of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم for non Muslims.
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Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)’s decision to allowed them to offer their prayers in Masjid-e-Nabawi was not a Hukm-e-Aam! If that was the case than all of the Christians would have been allowed to pray in Masajid not only that specific delegation of Christians.
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Can u provide any reference for this ? that christians are banned to pray in masjid, may it will help to clear.

6/21/09

Now what Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)’s decision has to do with spreading Islam is that if Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) didn’t allow them to pray where else they would’ve offered their prayers?
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App صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ek hokum fermatay or foran un kay liye ek separate jaga per worship kernay kay liye place ready ki ja sakti thee, mager Masjid-e-Nabavi jisaee paak jaga jis jaiseee paak or tahir jaga puri duniya mai nahi us jaga non Muslims ko pray kernay kay liye allow kerna this clearly proves the open heart tolerance care and beautiful Ikhlaaq or Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم.
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Dr Sahab himself answer this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOigDlUeIYo
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What a beautiful statement Dr Sahab made in the end, tht is we have implemented Islam deen and considered it as according to our own wishes and our own “tabiyat”.
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Where as Dr. Padri called them in a totally opposite situation. Christians do have their Churches in Lahore where they can freely offer their prayers.
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What Dr Sahib did is all Sunnah, If u have objection then raise it in the Bargah of Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم that why He صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم allow them to pray in Masjid ? He could order them to pray anywhere else in Madina..? He could order sahaba-e-Karam to build separate place for them…? There were many options for this purpose.
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So was allowing Christians to pray in Masajid the only way?
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Where I said it is the “only” way ?
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I explained twice that Nijran delegation case was specific not general and that is evident by the whole history of Islam. If that was a general case then there should be atleast one single example of doing so and there is none!
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Brother kehnay say pehlay soch lia kero kia keh rahay ho, u need one more here it is:

6/21/09

Whenever any foreigner Non-Muslim delegations came in the Barigah-e-Noori صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, He صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم Himself used to take care of everything. Thus, when a Christian delegation from Ethiopia came to Madinah in his barigah He صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم made them to stay inside Masjid-e-Nabwi صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم and himself took the responsibility of their hospitality and said:
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“These people are special and prestigious for our companions, that’s why I liked to take care of their respect and honor and hospitality by myself”.
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References:
1. Sahih Bukhari: 3:1154, Hadith No. 2995
2. Shawkani, Neel al-Awtaar: 7:155
3. Sin’ani, Sibl al-Islam: 4:69

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So brother this expose ur false baseless and illogical interpretation that it was a specific not General.
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Ab ye mat kehna kay I need third example…. Maanna ap ko wisay bhee nahi hai even hazar example bhee dekha di jain.
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And what about all those scholars (whom you appreciated) working to spread the true teachings of Islam especially in the West? Are they all unaware of this Sunnah of Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)? They need to act upon it more than the Scholars of sub-continent as we don’t have the Christians-Muslim crisis as much as they do. And still they are ignoring the best way to tell the truth and the Sunnah as well as per your claim!
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Ye baykar ki baatin na kero, what they are doing I appreciate them Allah unhin is ki jaza ataa keray, if they haven’t perform such act this does not means they are unaware of it or they reject this Sunnah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. They are also following Sunnah and Dr Sahib is also following Sunnah, if u have guts then prove it that this way is not Sunnah!

6/21/09

You’re turning a place where Muslims suppose to worship Allah into a Church where Christians can praise Jesus whom they believe to be the Son of God and that too with no apparent reason and still asking what to bad in it!
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So when Christians prayed in Masjid-e-Nabavi according to their way, then does it became Church (Astagfirullah) ? Use some common sense brother, ur all objections are going directly to Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. Atleast un ka he khayal kerlin.
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I previously asked you that what allowing them to pray in Masajid has to do with the knowledge of Islam?
I have already answered this, and I have told u that this is the time to clear misperceptions in non muslims about Islam. To show them the true teachings of Islam.
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The video description itself says that it happened in “Al-Hidaya Camp 2006”! Did he really accepted Islam just because Dr. Padri allowed him to pray in Masjid, or their were other reasons?
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All of sudden koi ek do lecture sun ker nahi accept kerlayta Islam, that person must be observing Dr Sahib from long time, and at that occasion he found it most appropriate time to declare and accept Islam.
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Or wisay bhee ager koi islam masjid mai accept ker bhee lay tou aap ki seyhat per koi aser nahi pernay wala, itna bara evidence dekh ker bhee tum andhay he rahay or padri kehay say baaz nahi aaye, kia khuwab mai bhee padri nazer atay hain ?
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Kisi deobandi dekhata tou shiad wo maan jata mager aap tou us say bhee baray niklay.
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Ofcourse the reasons would be that first of all he was fortunate enough to get hidaya from Allah,
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Hahaha… yar jahalat ki intayha kerdi aap nay, tou us ko or koi scholar nazer nahi aaya tha ? aap ka kay bakol padri kay pass wo Islam accept kernay ja raha hai ??? lolzzzzzzzzz

6/21/09

Post Number 8
(I have captured its screen shot im afraid that may be now u will delete it)

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Now my question is, they were just allowed to pray in the Masjid, there was no discussion held in the masjid between Muslims and Christians tell me how will they came to know about Islam ? by just praying in masjid according to their way how will they understand the believes of Islam ?
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Brother seriously speaking u have crossed limits of Jahala, and this is just becz of hatred and support to ridiculous fatwas. Now u are denying ur own statements, ur own interpretations, u are denying hadiths Sunnah Qualities of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم just to support those fatwas.
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Anyways..I never demanded to expel Jews/Christians from anywhere without any reason!
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So be careful next time, and don’t post irrelevant hadiths on this issue, u presented hadith of Hazrat Umar RA expelling jews/Christians is absolutely irrelevant to discussion and I have told u the reason why they were expelled becz this is what they deserve at that time.

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Now would you please tell us that why cant we take that act i.e expelling the Jews/Christians as in general and not related to that whole incidents described in that Hadith? I mean why?
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It is general, where I said it is specific to that time not it is not applicable ? it is as general as the case of Nijran, and this rule will always be applicable whenever jews or Christians or other non muslims are found doing “bagawat” for Muslims in Muslim state or something like that, so this is still applicable to expel them in such situation.

6/21/09

Situation, scenario, conditions, circumstances dekh ker according to sunnah and shariah action liya jata hai. And everything that was done during Sahaba-e-Karam period is still applicable.
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As per your understanding Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed that specific delegation of Christians to pray in Masjid and so we should not be having any problem if Dr. Padri allows the Christians to pray in Masjid. You take it generally, whereas the same you declaring Hazrat Umar (Radi Allahu Anhu)’s act as specific, because of a particular situation?
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Can you please explain this contradiction?
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If you are not accepting Hazrat Umar (Radi Allahu Anhu)’s act as general, which he did in a particular situation explained by yourself, then why you accepting Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)’s act as general which Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) did in a particular situation?
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Both rules are sunnah and are general.
Hope aab aap ko meri baat ka “Ser” or “pair” nazer agia hoga.
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There is no report that Dr. Padri said a word against their diabolical beliefs at that event, nothing even close to that.
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I have shown u the verse for this, go and read it again [16:125]
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And according to my knowledge Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) himself invited them for Mubahila and they said we’ll think about it and will tell you tomorrow. And that’s even evident by Surah Aal-e-Imran, verse 61 which says;
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Then O beloved! Whoever disputes with you about Isa after knowledge has come to you, then tell them, 'come, let us call our sons and your sons our women and your women and our souls and your souls, then let us pray earnestly, and so lay the curse of Allah upon the liars.'

6/21/09

This verse proves that debate was initiated by Christians not By Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. And Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم invited them for Mubahila not for Munazira, there is a big difference between both.
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Your Padri did accept them as Believers and that’s against the concept of monotheism (Tawheed) the most fundamental and basic concept of Islam as they don’t believe in monotheism.
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I need its reference, and I will ask about it with some knowledgeable persons, becz my approach is to see picture from both directions in order to get clear vision.
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Secondly if it was really Mawlid-e-Isa (Allaihe Salam) for Dr. Padri then why he arranged that in a typical Christian fashion?
I asked u whats wrong in it ? is cutting cake on mawlid, haram ?
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But when you approach them in such a way then one should tell them the Islamic belief regarding Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam).
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Read verse 16:125, it was not the appropriate time to talk on this issue becz many things are required first to be clear like label of terrorism and extremism, true image of Islam its teachings its Haqaniyat its truthfulness and things like that.. after this time comes for clarification of core issues.
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Baat kehna ka hi tu mouqa tha. Khud Christians ko unhi ke tehwaar ki arrangement kar ke bulwa kar agar bataya jata tu phir tu woh araam se suntay ke dekho jee ye tu baray dil waalay hain. Humara tehwaar khud hi arrange kiya aur humein bulaya, matlab humaray hi tehwaar mein hum khud hi mehmaan! Aur phir poora tehwaar manaya bhi humaray saath, humari hi tarah, humaray liye apni Masajid tak khool dien! Iss se barh kar aur pazeerai kya karni thi aap ne janab!

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Shaykh-ul-Islam knows better than u kid, even much better than Ulama of this time, that is why He is the most successful in his Mustafavi inqalab Mission and non Muslims are accepting Islam on his hand if u cant see it then I cant do anything.

6/21/09

Christians se mubahilay ki baat aye tu woh case different ho jata hai
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Yes becz wahan Christians debate kernay ki niyat say aaye thay, or debate ki jisay Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم nay refute kiya, but here is nothing like that, here Christians were not invited to debate, or if they start to debate then Dr Sahab would have definitely refuted them on the spot.
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aur baat aiee Christians ko Masajid mein apnay andaaz mein ibadat ki tu case similar ho jata hai.
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Similar nahi hota general hota hai.
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Waisat such batao tu ab afsoos ho raha hai! Shakhsiyat’parasti mein iss had tak chalay jana ke kahi tu khud hi apni batoo mein tazaad aur kahi Ulema-e-Ahle’Sunnat ko jahil qaraar dena! Kya yehi hai Tahiriyat?
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Meray mu mai khaak ager may Ulama-e-Ahle-Sunnat ko aisa kahon, mai Molvi parast nahi hon. Ulama ka ahteram apni jaga or ikhtayafat apni jaga. Mai dono mix nahi kerta. Ulama say meri akeedat Nisbat-e-Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم kay sabab hai, mager is kay ye matlab nahi kay mai unhin Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ka derja day doon (Maz-Allah) un ki baat or fatwon ko Quran or Hadith ka darja day doon (Maz-Allah).
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Yahi ferk hai tum main or mujh main. Ager guts hain tou Quran or hadith say refute kero, becz mai is ko follow kerta hon, or her us baat ko jo is kay tabay ho.
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Miya ye terrorism ki kahaniya baar baar na sunao!
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Tou or kia fatwon ki lory sunaon, hakikat tumhin bata dee hai or tum khud is kay kail ho kay ye label islam per lagaya ja raha hai, ab hakikat batai ja rahi hai tou wo kahanai hogaee wah bhai.

6/21/09

Allah hidayat deta hai tu saikroo bahano se de deta hai. Allah ko deen ka kaam lena hota hai tu deen ke dushmano se bhi le leta hai!
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Bilkul sahi fermaya aap nay, mager is ka matlab ye tou nahi kay hum mu band ker kay beth jain tableeg chor dain Sunnat per amal chor din..?
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the Western scholars, who lives in West, preaches there, tries hard enough to spread the true teachings of Islam never adopted any such thing as your Dr. did!
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Lol, they have followed just one sunnah, where as Dr Sahab followed every Sunnah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم in this regard.
I have shown u the result as well.
And yet we don’t see a single scholar doing so, NOT A SINGLE ONE! Are they all unaware of this act which you’re declaring as Sunnah?
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Go and ask them that why they are not following this sunnah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ? don’t ask from us that why they are not following it.
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For verse [16:125] u quoted Tafsir and highlight irrelevant part, let me show u the relevant part:
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Call, mankind, O Muhammad (s), to the way of your Lord, [to] His religion, with wisdom, [with] the Qur’ān, and fair exhortation, its [the Qur’ān’s] fair exhortations, or with gentle words, and dispute with them by way of that which, that is, by way of that [manner of] disputation which, is best, such as calling [them] to God by way of His signs and calling [them] to His definitive arguments. Truly your Lord knows best, that is, He is fully knowledgeable [of], those who stray from His way and He knows best those who are guided, and will requite them — this was [revealed] before the command to fight [them].(Tafsir-e-Jalalayn)

6/21/09

The way to call them towards Islam is described!
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Yes it is described and it is Wisdom, of which u have no knowledge.
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Aap be’shakk apni baat saleeqay se qareenay se kijiye lekin iss ka matlab ye hargizz nahi ke sirf acha acha bool ke side ho jaye, jo burai hai usay nazar’andaaz kar dein gay tu islah kaisay hogi?
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Hazaron ki islah hogai aap humin sikha rahay hain islah kaisay hogi…. Wo Christian kiyon or kaisay musalman huwa ? ab ye mat kehna kay us kay naseeb mai hidayat thee, hidayat tou thee mager zariya or waseela kia cheez bani ? wo iklaq aman muhabat kindness hospitality kay siwa kuch nahi.
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Ab iss per mein agar ye kaho ke Allah tu Islam ke dushmano se bhi deen ka kaam le leta hai tu aap jall bhunn kar bhabhooka ho jaye gay!
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Nahi bhai hum jalnay bhunay walon mai say nahi, balkay humin tou aap ki baton say hasi arahi hai kay is caliber ka shakas or baatin itnay jahilana kay intayha nahi. Koi ek example dekha dijiye kay Allah nay deen kay dushman say itna kaam liye ho jitna Dr Sahib say liya hai ?
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inn ki siyasi gulaathiya kisi se chupi nahi. Koi ba’eed nahi ke aap jald hi aap chootay miya ko tareekh duhratay dekhein
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Bazari baton mai uljhay raho gay tou kuch nazer nahi aaye ga, ta’asoob hasad or bughz ki ainak utar ker dekho her cheez clear hojaye ge.
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Baqi aap sari zindagi isay ilzaam’taraashi ka naam de kar kanni katratay rahein. Humara kaam hai batana so hum bata chukay, manwana humara kaam thori na hai.
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Khuda kay liye aaisee baatin na batain jo khud aap ko zalil or ruswa kerdin, seriously ap jisay caliber kay admi say is terha ki baatin sun ker bara afsos hota hai.

6/21/09

This is what I said and you quoted and see how you replied it! I asked about why Dr. Padri didn’t celebrate it with Muslims who consider Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam) a Prophet but with Christians who believe him to be the Son of God! And you’re countering it with this query?
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Why Hazrat Khuwaja Gharib Nawaz R.A use to eat and drink with Hindus ? while hindus believe in several idols and worship them ?
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If Hazrat Khuwaja Sahib (Radi Allahu Anhu) used to eat and drink with Hindus then what it has to do with celebrating Christmas?
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It was celebration of Mawlid-e-Esa A.S, so ur question has no sense.
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And I don’t get it what you actually tried to say about celebrating Mawlid-e-Hazrat Adam (Allaihe Salam).
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U will never get it becz its all about wisdom…Hikmah. Even results have been shown to u.
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Your Padri do celebrate Mawlid-e-Nabawi (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) as well, now please tell us about the similarity between the two events?
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What are u trying to say? Please talk something from Quran and Hadith, is there anything which is against Quran and Sunnah.
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Tumhari queries se waqai saray baajay bajj rahay hain Tahiri ilmiyatt ke! Aylaan-e-Nabuwwat se pehlay to Tabligh bhi shuru na huwi thi. Tu Dr. Padri ko chahiye tha ke isi tarah 40 saal se pehlay Islam ki tableegh na karta. About allowing Christians into Masajid you said he is following the Sunnah, now why didn’t he followed Sunnah back then?
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Ager tumhin hikmat ki tameez hoti tou kabhi is terha kay jahilana sawal na kertay, mera sawal ye kay Aylan-e-Nabuwat 40 years kay baad kernay ki kiya Hikmat thee ?
Ab kiyon kay tumhin hikmat ki samajh nahi tou kuch nahi samjh asakta tumhin.

6/21/09

Go google around to know more about their way! About whats wrong in it, lets suppose they don’t do anything unislamic in it but still its unislamic as the hadiths unambiguously says; “Do not imitate the Jews or the Christians”. And your Padri celebrated that event in a typical Christian fashion. Muslims don’t celebrated Mawlid like this and even you know that. Hatt’dharmi aur be’sharmi se dalail paida nahi ho jaye ga so kuch sharm kijiye!
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Im asking that thing which is unislamic and Dr Sahab did it, please come up with proper logic proper reference don’t talk irrelevant, highlight that thing that matter which is unislamic so that I can see it and answer it. And I will accept it if it is really unislamic.
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You were suppose to reply my post which I made on June 13th, from which you took out just 2 paragraphs and started dancing over it. You ignored them all once again and replied over the session of June 14th which was a reply to whatever you said in reply to those 2 paragraphs of mine.

1. Havent replied the whole session of June 13th, except two paragraphs.

You took just two paragraphs out of my posts and then replied it and after I replied your posts and asked you to reply all the posts of June 13th from which you took those two paragraphs. In response you again ignored the posts I made on June 13th!
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I had already said that verse and hadith u have quoted are better fit on President zardari so stop crying on 13 june posts, they are all irrelevant, u have took wrong meaning s of Dr Sahab’s acts and pasted verses on him.
About Christians definitions and believe I have said that it is their matter, they are responsible for it, we have nothing to do with their false believes.

6/21/09

Syed Najeeb Bro.

Brother, your words really touch the heart trust me. May Allaah bless you, Ameen.

Mohsin Bhai

Bravo! JazaakAllaahu Khairan Katheeraa

6/22/09

Moderator's Note

This thread has been started to refute the allegations against Dr Sahab.From now onwards,only selected members would be allowed to post in this thread in order avoid fight among sunnis.

Other irrelevant posts will be deleted without any notice.

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6/23/09

selected members only
why so
can't we voice our opinion here
can u clarify this

6/23/09

Bhai Obaid Bhai means the relevant members when he is saying 'Selected'. Don't be bad-gumaan. No irrelevant fights will be tolerated because this thread was not started to create more misunderstandings, in fact it was made to remove the previous ones. You are most welcome to say anything on the topic.

I'll be posting my replies in a few days (1 or 2).

6/23/09

Answer to Sybraite (and His supporters)

I m very happy to see that this time u do not come up with all ur non sense talks. I believe that may now u have realize those things which i clarified to u. and u have no more objection query for them. u are not openly expressing it, doesn’t matter at all, but im glad that now u have no more question.

You havent dared to answer the posts of June 13th! Just by weeping or declaring them all irrelevant, it wont become an answer. If you think I misquoted those verses, please quote them, present your argument proves them misquoted. If you think of all that as irrelevant, please quote them, present your argument which proves them irrelevant.

Hehehe, answer kia doon bhai..? u quoted the verses which prohibits the concept friendships with Jews and Christians, can u prove that whatever Dr Sahib is doing is not for betterment Islam rather He is doing friendship with them and working for their religion their betterment ?

If allowing Christians to pray in Masjid is friendship then what will u say when Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) did the same act ? Did He (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) do this act just to raise hand for friendship with them(MAZ-Allah) ?

Dr Sahib eating talking and celebrating Mawlid-e-Esa A.S with christian means doing friendship with them then what will u say to Hazrat Khuwaja Gharib Nawaz R.A act when he used to eat drink live with Hindus..?

If u can answer these questions with some logic and references and prove that those verse can be applied to Dr Sahab then I’ll answer and try to refute them, but by just copy pasting verses and hadiths doesn’t means u have proved ur point of view.
And if can’t prove it with logic and proper references then obviously they are irrelevant.

6/23/09

All your posts are based on your personal understanding, irrelevant talk, twisting meanings, ignoring the context, and thus I dont have to reply it.
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Come on go ahead and prove it…!! Since u have no answer to my points so there is no other choice for u except to run away by giving such ridiculous statements.
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In my post I had refuted all ur objections on Dr Sahab, now ur intentions are clear u don’t want their answer and clarification, u just want people to support those fatwas and get away from this personality. This is what ur intentions are all about. U want people to blindly follow those fatwas as u do instead of following Quran and Hadith and Sunnah of Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) and Sirah of Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), ur main mission is to deviate people from this and make them fatwa parast!.. this is what ur love to Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) this is what u are doing for this religion this is what u are doing for AhleSunnat, This is ur Sunniyat!
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Aab bataiye lanat ka mustahik wo hai jo Suniyon ko apas mai laraye or apnay pass say jisay chahay suni banaye or jisay chahay suniyat say nikalay, ya lanat ka mustahik wo jo Sunniyat ko ek kernay ki ser tor khoshish keray ? kher phir bhee humin lanat say bachna chahiye or kisi per lanat nahi kerni chahiye.
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Mai tou ek honay ki baat kerta ho unity ki baat kerta hon, and this is what I have learned from Alahazrat R.A and Dr Sahab. Apnay nay ager intayshar phialana nafrat dalna sikha hai tou ye aap ki kismet.
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In the end mai yahi kahon ga, ager baat samjhni hai tou her angle say neutral hoker dekhiye, abhi tak aap nay ek side dekhi hai, ab ap Dr Sahab ki kidmaat per nazer daliye 1400 ki kareeb books likheen unhin dekhin, more than 6000 lectures deliver kiye wo suniye Sirif Allah or us kay Rasul (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki nisbat say kisi or nisbat say nahi.

6/23/09

Ager is nisbat ka wakaee ap ko hiya hai tou zaror meri baat per ghor kerna. Ye nisbat buhat bari cheez hai, abhi tak aap nay jo kuch kaha fatwon ki nisbat say kaha, or mai nay jo kuch jawad diya Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki nisbat kay sabab jawab diya. Nisbat buhat bari cheez hai, ager bani israeel kay Auliya say kuttay ko bhee muhabat hojaye tou wo aam kutta nahi rehta or Allah us ka ziker Quran mai kerta hai, is liye nahi kay wo kuttay hai mager is liye kay us kuttay ko Awliya say nisbat hai.

Aray Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) nay tou us sharabi shakas per bhee lanat kernay say Sahaba-e-karam ko mana fermaya jis ko koray pertay thay mager phir sharab peeta tha, mager lanat say sirif is liye mana kiya kay us kay dil mai Allah or us kay Rasul (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki muhabat thee.

Or aaj hamara kiya haal hai ? hum aisay shakas ko lanat ker rahay hain usay kafir or gumrah keh rahay hain jis nay hazaron logon kay dilon ko Ishq-e-Mustafa (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) kay charag say roushan kerdia jis nay hazaron ko Ashiq-e-Rasul (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) bana diya… aj hum chotay motay ikhtaylafat per usay lanat kertay hain kafir or gumrah kehtay hain…. Kiya hamaray is amal say Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) khush hongay ?

Kiya hum wakaee ye sab Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki raza or khushi kay liye ker rahay hain ? Sochiye! Ulama kay ikhtalayfat apni jaga mager adab or ehtayram lazmi hona chahiye, mai Hazrat Akhtar Raza Khan Sahab ka sirif Ishq-e-Rasul (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) kay sabab adab or ehtayram kerta hon or meri khush naseebi hai kay mujhay in say mulaqat ka sharaf hasil huwa (he once came to our masjid in F.B.Area few years back).

Kher.... last point Akalmand wo nahi jo haq jan ker bhee zid per araa rahay, akalmand wo hai jisay haq bataya jaye tou usay tasleem keray or zid chor day.

May Allah show us the true path.

Fi amanillahi wa Rasulihi

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6/23/09

Ghulam-e-Rasool(Sallalahu Alaihi wa Sallam)
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You can post your views here,but if the member's post are irrelevant and if the posts can incite fight among the Sunnis,then those posts will be deleted.I have deleted all the posts of Syed Najeeb and the replies to Najeeb's posts in order to avoid fights among sunnis.

6/23/09

bahut accha kiya Obaid bhai aapne.........

6/24/09

jazakallah Obaid (the only active mod)
i would like a few questions
concerning Minhajis
am i allowed to do so?
or
should i open a new thread for that?
ur appreciation would be of utmost help
in clearing doubts

6/24/09

You can post them in AlaHazrat community. As they have named the thread as 'Test for Minhajians'. Go ahead..

6/24/09

4 ^^^

it is with regards to minhajis
or ha
i dont want ot create a mess
no fights
plzzzzzzzzz
just want to clear my doubts
if this community allows

6/24/09

If you don't want to post it there, then create a new thread for it.

6/24/09

it is with regards to minhajis
or ha
i dont want ot create a mess
no fights
plzzzzzzzzz
just want to clear my doubts
if this community allows

Yaar thodi der ruken......pehle ye masla solve hojaye......Uske baad naye threads banao yaar.....Try to understand,pehle kaafi saare jhagde chal rahe hai ye thread ko lekar.......

6/24/09

I think my part of debate is over now, as sybarite has refused to reply my posts. Is there anything left to discuss ?

6/24/09

Sybarite was never serious in replying. He has always been playing with words. He has no authentic proofs to support any of the allegation he raises. A simple example is the allegation he made which he named as 'Bepardagi'.

Even my foot is capable of doing much better work than that my friend. Bring some sensible one, like Irfan Qadri? (I've suggested his name because they call him the Karaamat of Akhtar Raza Khan Sahib )

Those questions are still in my mind, don't worry. I'll write on them the first moment I find free..

6/25/09

4 Obaid

theek hai dude

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6/25/09

Sybraite is back again, with all nonsense and ridiculous talks without any authentic reference (except akhbari totay), he is exposing his jahala again and again... it would be good for him stay keep quiet, but in sahab ko dhon sawar hai fatwon ko portect kernay ki.. shiad kaber mai fatwon ka poocha jai ga in say...

6/25/09

mohsin bhai mere message delete mat ho to main inhe samjha du fatwa kya hota hai bhai............

6/26/09

Answer to Sybarite

Anger frustration ghabrahat bhoklahat is apparent from sybarite’s posts. This is what happens when truth is shown. I have skipped all personal attacks, mocking and abusing part from Sybraite’s posts. So only relevant points are answered.

Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)’s decision to allowed them to offer their prayers in Masjid-e-Nabawi was not a Hukm-e-Aam! If that was the case than all of the Christians would have been allowed to pray in Masajid not only that specific delegation of Christians.

What evidence do u have for this ? If Christians were banned to pray in masjid then please show me some evidences from Quran and hadith, I will accept it if u provide proper references with correct interpretation. Otherwise it is better to keep personal views with u.

First you says Whatever is ur answer, same answer is from us and now this!

I never expect such idiotic answer from u, that is why I said.

I never said that if there is no place else than Christians are allowed to pray in Masajid. That was a decision made by Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam). Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) is the Shaa’ray, The Law Maker! Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) is Mukhtar-e-Kull, so Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) has the supreme authority and we obviously don’t have it at all! So if Muslims do face such a situation now, they’ll be consulting Muftiyan-e-Kiram for the Shariah ruling in this regard and then will do accordingly.

So it is now become haram to follow Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم sunnah ? we are not denying supreme Qualities of Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, but who made u the “law maker” ? How can u make the law of banning Christians to pray at masjid ? if this law is from Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم then we all will accept it, but if it is not from Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, then who gave u the authority to make laws in Religion ?

6/26/09

And u said Dr Sahab needs to consult Muftiya-e-Karam, u mean Dr Sahab ask Muftiya-E-Karam that should I follow the Sunnah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ? Does this makes any sense brother ?

Anyways you stated allowing Christians to pray in Masajid as rights given to non-muslims, which includes Ihl-e-Hunood as well. So please tell us when we’ll be seeing Dr. Padri singing bhajans with Ihl-e-Hunood and allowing them to pray in Masajid on behalf of rights given to non-muslims?

Don’t make fun of Sunnat-e-Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, now u are doing Ghustaki in the Bargah of Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, I warn u that don’t go so blind behind fatwas that may u lose ur emaan by making fun of Sunnat-e-Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. (Astagfirullah), since only Christians were allowed by Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم to pray then why are u talking of every non-muslim ? I never said this right is for every non muslim, don’t twist my statements!!

U are exposing ur self more and more and getting closer to deobandis attitude and behavior.

Regarding allowing to pray in masjid, Dr Sahab followed Sunnah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم that’s it, even a 4 year kid can understand this simple thing which u don’t!

Bachay its you who is presenting that Nijran hadith as a Daleel to allow Christians to pray in Mosque. Now I simply asked you about whether that decision of Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) was for that delegation only or all of the Christians around the globe. So its nothing but a query over what you’ve claimed! So its your liability to provide the evidence to prove that Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)’s decision was not only for those particular Christians of Nijran but for all the Christians around the globe even in that era.

Again behaving like deobandis, Statements aap dain prove hum kerin lolzz .

6/26/09

Yes we gave the prove regarding Nijran, now it is u who believe (not we) that all other Christians are banned, so u have to prove ur statement, it is not our believe Mr! It is ur believe, so u have to prove ur statements, our job is over, we have shown u the Sunnah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم if u know the importance of Sunnat-e-Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم if u know and believe in high virtues and merits and status Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم then u must accept what Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم did, not what ur ridiculous fatwa have said, and not what ur other Ulama are doing! Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم first then Ulamas, and u are give more priority to Ulamas as compare to Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. (Maz-Allah)

I already elaborated on what circumstances Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed those Christians to pray in Masjid-e-Nabawi. And we the Sunni cant imagine Ashaab-e-Kiram (Ridwanullahe Ta’la Allaihe Ajmain) building a place to worship someone else than Allah.

Lol, Sahaba-e-Karam on the order of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم allowed Christians to pray in Masjid-e-Nabavi (the most precious place in the universe) according to their own way who believe Esa A.S as Son of God (Maz-Allah), and u are saying that it is not possible for Sahaba to build separate place for them on the order of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم …!! Brother seriously ur talks have no sense at all!

Then tell me if it was banned to make a separate place for Christians to worship, then why u make separate places churches in Pakistan for them ? Now it has become legal which u thing is illegal for Sahaba ??

6/26/09

1. Christians of Nijran came to Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) to know about Islamic belief regarding Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam)

Whereas

Your bawla Padri invited the Christians to celebrate Christmas which is a Catholic ritual.

Dr Sahab celebrated Mawlid-e-Esa A.S to tell them that we also believe in Hazrat Esa A.S and not only in Hazrat Esa A.S but all Prophets.

2. The Christians of Nijran intended to stay for few days and they had no place to offer their prayers,

Whereas

The Christians whom your Padri invited came to celebrate Christmas and had their Churches where they could offer their prayers.

This is absolutely foolish and wrong interpretation that there was no place, this is not the case infact Mr Sybraite is now trying to ignore to hide the supreme qualities of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم His Ikhalaq attitude kindness hospitality and things like that, I feel sorry that this person is gone so blind behind fatwas that now he is trying ignore the beautiful Sirat of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. Strange!!

3. Rasoolullahu (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) told them the truth about Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam) and refuted the Christian belief that Jesus is the Son of God, right infront of those Christians.

Whereas

Your dramay’baz Padri didn’t say a word on the Islamic belief of Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam) neither he refuted the Christian belief. Infact he celebrated Christmas which is purely a Catholic ritual, the birth of the Son of God, according to Christian customs.

Since Christians from nijran started debate on the issue so Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم refuted their false believes. But in the case of Dr Sahab if Christians would have started debate as did by people of Nijran then obviously Dr Sahab would have refuted their believes on the spot, but nothing such happen so Dr Sahab followed the order of Quran from verse [16:125], that is order of Wisdom. More clarification is in further posts.

6/26/09

4. When those Christians refused the truth about Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam), Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) asked them for Mubahila.

Whereas

Your Padri not only kept his mouth shut, but also accompanied the Chrisitians in celebrating a non-Islamic ritual.

Since Christians donot start any debate so their nothing like mubahila.

Now if you say that what your Padri did was according to Sunnah, then there are lots of things which he did against the Sunnah.

Yes of course he is following Sunnah (in the case of allowing to pray in masjid) while u are continuously making fun of it. Which is very sad.

He kept his mouth shut and didn’t rectify the Christians about their false belief concerning Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam),

If he would have said nothing (there or later) then how that Christian embraced with Islam? this is a big slap on ur face, any u’ll feel its pain whenever u think about Christians..

Anyways, you’ve presented a report where Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed a delegation of Christians from Ethiopia to STAY in Masjid-e-Nabawi. I hope you know the difference between Staying and Praying.

Lol for Nijranis it was allowed to pray but for this group from Ethiopia it is become haram ..and this hadith shows more care from Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم for them, becz here Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم is personally taking care of them and u are saying Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم banned them to pray…??? So do u mean that there was a separate place available for them to pray ? if yes then give some evidence, if no, then why Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم allowed Nijranis to pray and why He صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم banned Christians from Ethiopia to pray ?

6/26/09

Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) did tied up a non-Muslim (who then later accepted Islam) on the pillar of Masjid-e-Nabawi.

Yahe tou hikmat hai non muslims ko Masjid mai lanay ki, so that they can see how simple is this religion how loving and peaceful this religion is. And u are making new laws to ban them !! bataiye un ko pillar say bandhnay ki or kia hikmat thee? Or unhon nay phir Islam accept kiya tou kon see discussion hui un say jis say unhon nay islam accept kia ? kiya zarorat thee unhin masjid mai baandhnay ki ? kiya aab ye kaho kay kay baandhnay ki kaheen or jaga nahi thee is liye masjid mai bandha ??

Na-daan insaan kuch baatin kehnay ki nahi hoteen, dekhnay ki hoteen hain, jo insaan dekh ker manta hai asani say wo sun ker itnee asani say nahi maan sakta!

Masjid mai allow kernay ki yahi waja hai kay wo Musalamanon ki ebaadat ko dekhay how simple it is, musalmanon ka apas may milna or ek dosray say muhabat kerna dekhin jo kisi or gharz say nahi jo dunyavi lalach kay liye nahi sirif Allah or Us kay Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ki raza kay liye hai in ki khushnoodi kay liye hai. Jab aap dekhin gay tou impress ho ker khud poochin gay or jo khud poochta hai wo samjhnay ki niyat jannay ki niyat say poochta hai munaziray ki debate ki niyat say nahi!

Afsos tum is baat ko na samjh sakay, kiyon tumharay dilon per talay paray huway hain Deen ki hikmat fehm-o-farasat say tumhara dil khali hogia hai.

As per you saying they aren’t unaware of this Sunnah and yet they are ignoring what you said to be the best way to tell the truth! Why is that so?

I m not sitting in their heart that I know everything about them, don’t ask childish questions, go and ask them why is that so ?

6/26/09

And kid, learn about the basic rule of debates! You are the claimant here, not me! Its you who claimed it to be a Sunnah not me! So its your liability to prove it a Sunnah not mine

Tou prove tou kerdia it is sunnah…. Ab tumhari statements bhee hum he prove kerin… ?

Everybody can see my stance here and then can easily judge what I am saying. Its you who is ignoring everything else and concluding things by taking statements totally out of their contexts.

Everybody can see whats Dr Sahab Stance is on these issues and with what wisdom he is doing this and how much he is successful in it, but it is people like u who are ignoring everything and concluding things by taking acts totally out of their true meanings intentions and Wisdom behind them.

My stance is that Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed them to pray in a particular situation, not generally.
Wrong stance! Already proved. Abhi specific particular keh rahay ho agay tum isay khud general bana do gay. Keep reading

That is my query! How praying in Masajid will clear the misconception among non-Muslims? Is it like they’ll come and offer their prayers and things will get clear to them? Or its like they’ll come to Muslims and discuss about the teachings of Islam? Out of everything you find “allowing Christians to pray in Masajid” as the true teaching of Islam! Isnt telling them the truth about Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam) a true teaching of Islam?

Similarly as with case of Nijran, while according to ur interpretation Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم allowed them to pray so that they know about Islam about believes in Islam and come towards Islam. These are ur wording in 13th june post:

6/26/09

If you look the whole event and other reports from ahadith its evident that Huzoor (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed them to pray because they came to know about Islam and its beliefs and if they were not allowed to pray they would have gone back to Nijran without knowing the truth about Islam. And for that, as a wise and humble approach to call them towards Islam Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed them to pray.

Last time I forgotten to highlight ur last comment, Read it again brother, Similar approach is adopted By Dr Sahab to call them towards Islam.
This is the second and last time I copy paste ur answer, If cant understand what “u” have said then I think u need a medical treatment.

You invites them to celebrate their ritual which is totally against the belief of Tawheed,

So u mean celebrating mawlid-e-Esa A.S is against tawheed ..? can u prove it ?

then you call them Believers whereas Quran declares them non-believers,

I asked this from person who is associated with minhaj-ul-Quran he said:
He declared them in sense that they BELIEVE in Angels, BELIEVE in God, BELIEVE in the Books and also BELIEVE on Prophets. After that, this is a separate discussion that in what manner they BELIEVE them. But they do BELIEVE all these things unlike the Atheists and Hindus etc

If u think this is wrong then please do correct us, but with references which are relevant.

and then you proudly allows them to pray in Masajid.

So whats the problem with u if we follow Sunnat-e-Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ?

Ofcouse he would’ve have been searching the truth, either from Dr. Padri or anyone else.

Hahaha… tou ye kiyon nahi kehtay he accepts Christianity not Islam, padri bhee kehtay ho islam bhee..ajeeb double standard hai tumharay character mai..

6/26/09

But the thing here is, he accepted Islam because he came to know about Islam, not

According to u he is learning islam from a padri….. ??? kuch tou hosh kero bhai sahab ..

Aap ke tu Padri ki poori wilayat hi khuwaboo per khari hai. Kabhi apnay baray mein khuwab tu kabhi apnay abba ke baray mein khuwab!

Dr Sahab said: Jo Allah or us kay Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ki terf jhut mansoob keray us per Allah us kay Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم or tamam Malaika ki nalat hai

Aj dr Sahab kay khuwab sun ker aap nay Khuwabon or basharton ka he inkar kerdiya jo Quran or hadith say sabit hai, fatwon ko bachanay kay liye itna insan gir jaye ga koi soch bhee nahi sakta.

Deobandi tu pehlay hi maan chukay hain ke ye Dr. bawla ho chuka hai. Aur issi bawlay Dr. ki bawli harkatoo ko le kar woh hum Ahle’Sunnah per keechar uchaltay hain.

Ye Dr Sahab ki mukhalifat mai deobandi bralvi friendship kab hoee ??

Mein ne ye kab kaha ke usay koi aur scholar nazar nahi aya, ya anything like that? Ab iss mein ye baat utha kar lanay ki kya wajeh banti hai ke uss waqt doosray scholars kaha gaye thay and all that crap you said in this regard?

Aap dosray scholars ki baat kerin tou kuch nahi, jo hum un ki baat kerin tou uchalnay lagtay hain.

Tu bachay its his approach.

So his approach proves that he has more sense than u.

Warna sirf Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah ko hi le lo. Un ke haath per aisoo ne bhi Islam qubool kya jinho na speeches suni thi na kuch aur. Sirf Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah ke chehray ki nooraniyat ko dekh kar Islam qubool kar liya!

Mashallah!

6/26/09

But that guy accepted Islam because he came to know about Islam by whatever means. Be it Dr. Padri’s speeches/books or any other medium. But the thing is he got to know about the teachings of Islam, and by the grace of Allah he understood the teaching and then accepted Islam.

Mai ap say keh raha hon aap ziada na bolin khamosh rahin mager aap suntay nahi hain, aap ki baatin ap kay character or level of knowledge ko zero ker rahin hain or musal sal ap bay-izat ho rahay hain itnee jahalat angaiz baatin ker kay.

Islam kabool kernay kay liye ap kay bakol isay aisa shakas nazer aya jo ap ki nazer mai kafir or Christianity ka alim leader hai ? aap puri terha sathiya chukay hain, akal aap ki khatam hogaee, mujhay dar hai kahin ap pagal na hojain. Becz koi pagal bhee aisee jahilana baatin nahi kersakta..

Ap he Dr Sahab ko gumrah kehtay hain na ? tou ab ap keh rahay hain kay wo dr sahab kay lectures of books perh ker hidayat per agaia..? yahi Dr Sahab ap kay nazdeek gumrah yahan tak kay kafir (astagfirullah) or un ki speeches or books perhnay wala hidayat yafta…? U really need a medical treatment.

And then I asked you morons about how praying in Masjid in un-islamic ways will give you the knowledge about Islam? Kya woh Masjid mein Christians ki tarah ghutnoo ke ball bethay ga tu usay Ilhaam ho jaye ga Islam ke baray mein? Ya Christians ke style mein Masjid mein ibadat karne se usay Tawheed ki samajh aa jaye gi? Ya phir usay dialogue ya discussion ke zariye samajhaya jaye ga tab ussay Islam ka pata chalay ga?

I have already cleared it, now Ask all these questions in the bargah of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. Becz we are following Him صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم.

6/26/09

Please tell us how my words proves that those Christians of Nijran been thaught about the teachings of Islam by allowing them to pray?

As u said in the end that And for that, as a wise and humble approach to call them towards Islam Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) allowed them to pray so according to u allowing them to pray is a humble approach to bring them towards Islam, if they will come closer to it then definitely they will learn more and more about it. This is what Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم approach and ours approach. And u have already seen the results.

delegation stayed for 2-3 days and discussion was underway all this time. Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) told them about the true teachings of Islam. Isnt that sufficient enough for you to understand the whole thing? Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) told them about the correct belief regarding Hazrat Isa (Allaihe Salam)

If Dr sahab had said nothing on this, then how that person embraced Islam ? since u accept that he must have listen speeches then why are u asking it again and again, Dr Sahab have said everything, and he said on appropriate proper time when it is needed to be explained, that is why that person came to accept islam.

About fatwas, I’d just say that they are from the giants of Ahle’Sunnah

So it doesnot means they are equal to Quran and Hadith. Can u prove Dr Sahab wrong from Quran and Hadith ? or can u support ur fatwas from Quran and Hadith ?

Wah janab wah! Baat aye expel karne tu situation, scenario, condition, circumstances dekhi jaa rahi hain but when it comes to Dr. Padri’s act all these situation, scenario, condition, circumstances can be ignored! Great!!!!

Kis nay ignore kia hai ? khariat tou hai ?

6/26/09

By the way, as you’ve talked about Ashaab-e-Kiram (Ridwanullahe Ta’ala Allaihe Ajmain)’s period, can you provide any such thing done by Ashaab-e-Kiram (Ridwanullahe Ta’la Allaihe Ajmain) in order to call the non-Muslims towards Islam?

Jo Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ki sunnat ko nahi manta wo sahaba ki sunnat ko kia khaak manay ga…
Then your Dr. Padri is missing the Sunnah of expelling the Christians as you said its general.

Expel jab kerin gay jab wo bagawat kerin gay takay Sunnat kay mutabiq expel kiya jaye, andhee nahi chal rahi.

So bachay, same is the case with that Nijran delegation.

Kahan say same ? nijran walay bagawat kernay aaye thay kia ?

Anyways, I figured out your khaslat! Jis baat ka jawab na ho uss per aankhein band kar lena tumhari khaslat hai.

Muslaman Musalman ka aaina hota hai, jo cheezin us mai khud hoteen hai wo dosray mai nazer ateen hain.

Aab tou aap nay purana record bhee tor diya jahalat ka, u copied my comment which was:
This verse proves that debate was initiated by Christians not By Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم. And Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم invited them for Mubahila not for Munazira, there is a big difference between both.

And in reply to this u said :
Matlab ke Padri bhi nira jhoota aur uss ke chailay bhi pakkay jhootay! Lanat hai jhootay Padri aur jhootay Padri pujariyo ke munh per!
See what you said earlier;
Then u copied my another comment which was:

and as far as my knowledge is concerned Christians offered first for Mubahilla (Correct me if im wrong). And Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم accepted it.

6/26/09

Bhai sahab mubahila or debate (munazira) is ka bhee ferk samjhana peray ga aap ko ?

Christians Started debate then Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم refute them and call them for Mubahila. Yes I accept from verse Mubahila was offered by Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, but debate munazira was started by them. More detail is in further posts.

Well this is all useless which thing start first point is Christian from nijran came and debated, while here in case of Dr Sahab Christian do not came to have debate.

About newspaper reference, believers ki baat tou mai nay kerdi, ab jahan tak Milad-un-Nabi صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم or Mawlid-e-Esa A.S ko same kehnay ki baat hai tou meray nazdeek jis terha hamaray liye Milad-un-Nabi صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم sab say bari Eid sab say bari khushi or sab say bari naymat hai, isi terha Christians kay liye Mawlid-e-Esa A.S sab say bara khushi ka din (ye alag baat kay wo hidayat na pa sakay or gumrah howay).

Why not in a Islamic way, like he celebrates Mawlid-e-Mustafa (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)?

What is that thing which is unislamic in it? Highlight it and prove it unislamic from Quran and Hadith.

Arranging such a gathering, celebrating their event according to their customs, declaring them Believers, allowing them to pray in Masajid, and yet no words on Islamic teachings about the one whose birthday they are celebrating! Do I need to tell you about amar bil maroof wa nahi al’munkar. The underlined part is missing my boy!

Sari zindagi kia isi per rotay raho gay kay usi time kiyon nahi bataya…? Verse 16:125 has been shown, ager nahi bataya hota tou Christian muslaman kaisay huwa ?

6/26/09

So yahi baat tou samjhana cha raha hon, Christians coming to Dr Sahab Already aware of Islam (not in depth) but they have more knowledge as compare to Christians of Nijran (becz nijrani heard about it first time) Christians coming to Dr Sahab knows very well now what our believe is about Hazrat Esa A.S, now point it not to tell them again the same thing, point is to first clear the vision the image that they have about Islam, so they accept its truthfulness. And this can only be done when u show kindness love hospitality to them as did by Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم.(by allowing them to pray)
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Seedhee say baat hai bhai ap nay khama kha baat ka batangar banaya huwa hai.
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About respecting Ulama, don’t worry brother if u think we disrespect them then brother u disrespect 100 times more than us! Tumhin Nisbat-e-Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ki hiya he nahi hiya hai tou fatwon ki hai jihin tum Quran or Hadith samjh behtay ho.
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Abay tumhay meri seedhi saadhi baatein samajh nahi aati
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Jin baton ka na ser na pair jo sirif bad-gumani per based hon wo seedhe saadi baatin nahi hoteen. Guts hain tou Quran or Hadith say sabit kero, atleast apnay fatwon ko he Quran or Hadith say support kerlo.
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And I did provided you with Quranic verses and Ahadith.
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Lol… out of context irrelevant verses Or Hadiths copy paste kerkay kon say bara teer mardia aap nay ? un ka aap ko aisa jawab diya giya hai kay aap aab apnay he provided references ko defend nahi kersaktay.
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'amar bil maroof wa nahi al’munkar ka hi jawab de do bachay!
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Ager jawab nahi mila tou Christian muslaman kaisay huwa ?
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Matlab sari dunya ke Ulema sunnah se dur hain aik akela Padri hi sunnah per amal kar raha hai. Aur iss per be’ghairati ki inteha dekho ke kehtay ho hum shakhsiyat’parast nahi.

6/26/09

Kon see duniya mai reh rahay ho ? in khuwabon khayalon ki duniya say bahir aao phir nazer aaye ga duniya hai kia, or jis duniya mai aap rah rahay hain us mai saray Ulama kia saray insaan bhee Sunnat kay khilaf hojayin tou harama emaan aap ki terha fatwon per biknay wala nahi kay hum fatwon ki base per Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ki Sunnat-e-Mubarika ka inkar kerdin.

Grow up kid, mazak ki duniya say bahar ajao.

The statement doesn’t end there; it goes on further. Let me quote the rest of it;

and dispute with them by way of that which, that is, by way of that [manner of] disputation which, is best, such as calling [them] to God by way of His signs and calling [them] to His definitive arguments.

So if Dr Sahab didn’t call them towards islam didn’t told it teaching than how that Christian came and accept Islam? wo kia baghir parhay paghir sunay asiay he agia ? u accept that he might listen lectures or read books, so what he found in those speeches and books that he came and accept Islam… ? use common sense

AND THEN given the formula about the manner of disputation which is to call them to Allah by His signs and by His definitive arguments.

Isi formula ko follow ker kay he tou success mili hai.

Yehi tu bemari hai Padri ki, ke humein na sikhao, humein sab maloom hai! Aur yehi bemaari woh phaila raha hai jis ki zinda misaal Naveed, Obaid aur aap jaisay deegar tatt ponjiye Tahiris hain jinhay takkay ki maloomat nahi aur munh uthaye Ulema ki tehqeeq per nukta’cheeni karne ki jasarat kartay hain.

Malumaat kay mamlay mai tou aap khamosh he rahin, becz aap kay bolnay say aap ki malommat ka pata chalta hai, shiatan ko bhee buhat maloomat thee yahi haal aap ka hai jaisay us ki maloomat us kay liye zehar ban gaee wisay he aap ki maloomat aap kay liye zehar sabit ho rahi hai.

6/26/09

Christians/Jews/Hindus etc tu Wahabiyo ke haatho per bhi Islam qubool kar chukay. Tu ab jaiye Wahabiyo ko bhi aisay hi sarr per uthaye ghoomtay rahiye.

Ye baat aap zara Hazrat Akhtar Raza khan Sahab kay samnay kahiye ga jin ka noorani chehra dekh ker log islam kabool kertay hain, un ko yahi jumla kahiye ga kay hazrat islam tou wahabi kay hath per bhee log kabol kertay hain. Phir reaction kia hoga u know better than me

man tashabbaha bi qawmin fa huwa minhum

Whoever imitates a group of people, he is one of them

So if Dr Sahab according to u is among them, they why that Christian came to Dr Sahab ? us ko nahi pata kay Dr Sahab is among them ? if Dr Sahab is among them tou in ki khidmaat un kay mazhab kay liye hoteen Islam kay liye nahi! Tum nay tou jahalat kay saray records tor diye fatwon kay peechay.

Ek hadith ka ghalat matlab nikal ker Dr Sahab per paste kerdia, ye nahi dekha kay Dr Sahab nay kis mazhab kay liye khidmaat anjaam deen or us ka kia natija nikla ?

Why the event was named Christmas and not Mawlid-e-Isa?

Becz to him Christmas means Mawlid-e-Esa A.S, he don’t care what Christian take its meanings.

Dare to quote my post in this regard and then answer it accordingly! Khulla challenge hai tum tamaam tahiriyo ko! Do good niyyat turns impermissible into permissible?

Challenge accepted! Now here is the answer read carefully
Sijda Allah kay siwa kisi or ko jaiz hai ? Nahi, tou aap tou sijda Bricks say banay Kabay ko kertay ho ..? tou kia ye haram huwa ya nahi ? ab is haram ko Halal kia cheez banati hai ? kiya us cheez ka naam Niyat nahi ?

6/26/09

Kiyon kay aap ki niyat Sijda Allah ko kernay ki hai, even apparently u are bowing in front of kaaba, mager niyat kaabay ko sijday ki nahi Allah ko siday ki hai, kaaba tou direction hai, so ager niyat kaabay ko sijda kernay ki hojaye tou wahi act haram or shirk hogia, ager niyat Allah ko sijda kernay ki hai or kaabay ko direction kay tour per liya jaye tou wahi halal hogia.

Bataiye Niyat nay Impermissible ko permissible kiya ya nahi ?
Ye hai aap kay challenge ka mu tore jawab.

That’s it, is kay elawa aap nay sirif bazari baatin personal attacks mocking abusing he ki hai jo aap ka pasandidah kam hai jab ap kay pass jawab nahi hota, or koi kaam ki baat nahi ki. Next time I’ll only reply that thing which is new and didn’t answered, those which are already answered I will not touch them again. Becz u don’t need any answer like deobandis do not care about answer, u are just here for fun just to express ur hatred which is increasing day by day as Dr Sahab is getting famous day by day.

So aab aap kiyamat tak jaltay or sartay raho gay … or jitni mukahlifat kero gay utna he Dr Sahab ko faida hai kay is say aap logo ki asliyat khul ker samnay ati hai or pata chalta hai kay aap ko deen ka kitna fehm or farasat hai or Sunnat-e-Rasul صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ki kiya ahmiyat hai aap kay samnay.

Baki aap nay meray baray mai jo kaha jo alfaz use kiye jo galiyan deen wo aap nay sahi kiya becz insaan ko dosray insaan mai apna he akas nazer ata hai or jo kuch wo dosray kay baray mai kehtay hai hakikat mai wo apni he zaat ka izhar ker raha hota hai. Kher in sab per mai nay ap ko maaf kiya. Or inshallah Qiyamat kay din ager is baat per paker hoe tou mai apni terf say aap ko maaf kerdon ga.

Khuda Hafiz

6/26/09

Reply to Sister (Madina Munawarah)

In Surah Ambiyaa Verse # 7 ; which says :

O People ! Ask the men of knowledge if you have no knowledge.

Yes we do ask, and we have asked for this, So whatever we are its not from over mind and thinking this is what Ulama has teached us. But this does not means that if they say something wrong then we accept it too. and this verse never say that Fatwa is equal to Quran and Hadith.

Now the question is Mr. Mohsin ! Aaj kai daur mai jab na Ambiya e Kairaam ka Daur Mubaarak raha hai na Khulafaa ka na Imaamoun ka tou phir jab aap jaisai koi fitna kharaa karain tou solution koun daiga ?

Frist of all, fitna ap logon nay khara kiya hum nay nahi, aap logon nay fatwon ki base suniyat ko tabha kernay mai koi kasar nahi chori, suniyon ko apas mai laranay kay elawa in fatwon nay diya he kia hai ?

dosri baat Anmbiya-e-Karam mujood nahi mager un ki baatin tou mojood hain, un ki sirat tou hamari kitaabon mai save hai wo kab kaam aaye gee ?

Aap ka baap tou hai nahi kai ham uss sai rujou karain

Mujhay hergiz ap say ye ummed na thee kay aap bhee ye language use kerin geen. It really hurts when Sunni use such language, it is demaging our image badly. is this what u have learned from those fatwas ? is this what u have learned from Alahazrat R.A ? U should feel shame on this!

As I said kai Fatawas are not taken from any story books ' MuaazAllah ' They are based on the importance of the right interpretation of the Holy Qur’an....

then show us which Quranic verse and Hadith supports that Fatwa ?

Quran e Kareem hee mai ' Sachoun kai Saath hou jaanai ka Hukm hai '...

Kaho ab kya kehtai hou ???

Tum tou Sachoun ko ghalat keh rahai hou ... tou soucho Molvi Parast koun hai ? Nasha kis par chara howa hai uss Padri ka jis kai chehrai sai hee Sunnat e Kareema nazar nahi aati ....

Wo bayshak sachay hongay, mager is mamlay mai koi sachai nahi na Quran say support na hadith say.

kher aap logon say baat kerna fazul hai.

6/26/09

kher aap logon say baat kerna fazul hai.

Meray khyaal mein aap Nasir Bhai, Slogged Sis aur ek aur Bhai ko bhool gaye?

I'll post my replies in an hour time as "it's the time to Load Shedding".

6/26/09

What can one do when you go so blind after some ridiculous Fatwas? Anyways, as per your routine you were desperately waiting for these slaps so here they are.

1. “Mein Hanfiyat ya Maslak-e-Ahle’Sunnat-o-Jamat ki bala’tari ke liye kaam nahi kar raha hun.”
(Naway-e-Waqt, pg. 4-19, September 1986)

I have replied to this ‘edited’ statement that please bring those cuttings. But I agree, the work you always bring is mostly an outcome of the ‘hard-work’ of 20 to 25 long years so I can understand your situation. But unfortunately the black sheep who have been doing this since so long haven’t yet got successful to deviate any true Sunni from the right path Alhamdulillaah. Example of thousands of Muftiyan-e-Karam and Ulema-o-Mashaikh from whole world are in front of your ‘Wahhabism Stripped’ eyes. This statement included some more words but some really ‘responsible’ men excluded them to scream out an allegation out of it. Let’s experience the original wording as well.

“Mein SIRF Hanafiyat ya Maslak-e-Ahle’Sunnat-o-Jamat ki bala’tari ke liye kaam nahi kar raha, balkey puray Ummat-e-Muslima k liye kaam kar raha hun.”

(Naway-e-Waqt, Pg. 4-19, September 1986)

Now here was your first slap served in a plate of some hidden words which were not hidden from the beginning but some disgusting ones just like you my kaka, showed their kharnaasi and changed the things to misguide people away from the righteous path.

6/26/09

2. Is Tazeem-e-Mustafa (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam), Tazeem-e-Sahaba really minor to minhajians?

Ahh *Sigh*. Are you really that kharnaas or you are trying to act like one? Well this Tashbeeh answer was given by Sami Bhai (Your grandpa in knowledge). And to me and every other sensible person, it totally clarifies the stand. For an example, tell me, if I name you as ‘Lion’ (Although people will experience this much coward lion for the first time), then I would say that due to that ‘bravery’ in you to stand this much ‘zillat’ I’ve done this mistake of calling you a lion, I’ll literally not address you as a ‘wild beast’ while calling you a ‘Lion’, though that beast quality is also an attribute of a Lion. I hope you can get this simple thing now and if not, then take a gun and blow your empty head my friend that’s the simplest solution to your filthy idiotic head.

3. Just go and ask the Doc to official write the Ulema for this. Just simply write and official invitation to those Ulema and ask them to take oath in public.

I’ve told you numerous times that he DOESN’T have that much ‘Wehla’ time to talk to such craps like Kaukab. Go take your own filthy tongue and speak to them and if not interested then we least care about that my friend. He doesn’t even cause 1% harm to a glorious organization like Minhaj-ul-Quran International. I don’t even call kaukab a pious man, let alone an Alim.

6/26/09

4. Ala Hazrat didn’t issue the fatwa of takfir againt Ismail Dehalvi because of the rumors that he repented at the time of his death.

Thanks for presenting this shit of yours in front of me. Let’s look into your words now.

"Ala Hazrat didn’t issue the fatwa of takfir againt (against) Ismail Dehalvi because of the rumors".

My Lord! Help this chap through the Sadqah of your esteemed beloved. Man you’ve already lost it . Now go and sing nursery rhymes, this religious talk is just not for your kind. Get lost dude! I’m fed up of your childish stuff you present all the time. Please bring Irfan Qadri so that we can have some idea of Tajashariyah’s karaamat .

5. Pir Karam Ali Shah Sahib

He didn’t call them Kafir. Keep crying your whole life out on this. Read his book “Tehzeer-un-Naas Meri Nazar Mein”. Bring one single quotation that he called him a Kafir . I’ll change my mind in his regard then.

6/26/09

6. Irshad Hussain Muhadas Rampur

Out of whole long undeniable reply, you found this very thing to raise your finger on. Shame on bloody you. Keep crying, it casts a least effect on me. I’m still finding about his history, I’ll come up with some facts in this regards later but some more important works are in progress, which will definitely tease your bloody small mind hardly and strongly (One out of them is already released with the name ‘Frustration or Jealousy’, dare replying to it).

7. Pir Jamat Ali Shah Muhadas Alipuri

Why would he disagree with the Imam-e-Ahl-e-Sunnah? Even Dr. Sahib affirms his Fatwa in that regard and calls those chaps as Gustakhan-e-Rasool. Go and get lost in some sh** dude.

8. Sheikh-ul-Islam Qamr-ud-Din Sayalwi Sahib

Still my reply is the same, which I gave above. Again the same suggestion for you my friend .

6/26/09

9. In which category of Mujtahid this Dr. Padri falls in?

I forgot to reply this earlier, thanks for reminding. Ok stop waiting now.

Alhamdulillaah Syyedi Sheikh-ul-Islam Prof. Dr. Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri MaddazillahulAali is a Mujtahid fil-Masaail

. Although he stops people from calling him Mujtahid and Mujaddid due to his extreme Ajazi. Go cry with your 2 takay k molvis through out your life, the whole world considers him even greater than that. I’m not opening the words of Sheikh-ul-Islam Qamar-ud-Din Sialvi Sahib here, you’d have died right there LoL.

11. Be’pardagi in Minhaj

There is no be’pardagi in Minhaj-ul-Quran International (learn the whole name you bloody jerk). If some foreigners come from different thoughts, we can’t force them to wear Hijabs. Get lost with your extremist jerk-ness. This is the most pious organization on the face of the earth right now and I shout it out loud. Go to your 2 takay k molvis and scream this thing in front of them.

And one more thing. Whenever you talk about this so called ‘Bepardagi’, a teacher who used to teach us at college, comes in my mind right away. Once he was teaching us and he told us about an incident. He told us that once his sister who was a couple of years younger than him (his age was not less than 30), once sent her cousin who was a 4-5 years child to the shop to get her something. When he saw that, he became angry and warned his sister not to do that again, not even to talk to him (4 years old child) again. And he was a Wahhabi for your kind information. This is why I call you a 'Wahhabi Impressed Figure', bloody extremist.

6/26/09

Fear from that second when I'll expose of the reality of that so called Munazira which you made a point at No. 10. I'm working on it. InshAllaah I'll write on it when I get the complete figures about it.

By the way I'm tired of slapping your face again and again and watching your extreme childish horse shit again and again. I really can make an even longer list of the things which you even didn't dare to touch (at least you showed your stupidity on rest of them). Bring Irfan Qadri and go prepare something for your exams. Trust me that would be more fruitful for you and in fact better for you because by posting things you are doing nothing else than ruining the image of Ahl-ul-Sunnah and AlaHazrat too. I really feel bad for you my BROTHER!

6/27/09

Syed Najeeb

When you get the hard copy of that fatwa(i dont really know what kind of fatwa is that,but if that fatwa is as stupid as the above mentioned ones,then u can post it here),then u can post in here.But till then,lets not make it another issue.

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So I request you to please delete your post.Because it will incite a fight among sunnis.

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6/27/09

bhai koi ladai nahi karunga main pakka bhaiiii.......main shareef hoo..ekdum chup chap rahunga bhai............ekdum bhai......
per yaar delete na karo na post itni mehnat se likhi hain bhai.....

6/27/09

Sybarite

Malign the name of Ala Hazrat (Radi Allahu Anhu) with whom teachings you Tahiris totally disagree. Don’t you have a bit of shame before taking the Mujaddid’s name who openly refuted your kind in his work, not once but many times. Hadd hai be’ghairti ki!

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One of the member of your very own community(Rauf,if I am not wrong) refuted Ali Razvi(When ALi Razvi labelled Mufti Akmal Sahab as Kafir,non-sunni and what not) and posted the fatwa/teaching of the Great Ala Hazrat RA,in which Ala Hazrat talks about respecting Scholars.So think before you speak and you know what,I think you should concentrate on your exams now,because I see that now your doing nothing but posting crap.Hadd hai Be'Ghairti ki.And now decide yourself as to who has been refuted by Ala Hazrat RA.
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You can call me names I wont mind, that’s the best you tahiris can do. But yeah calling me brother or buddy is off the edge, so please don’t. And don’t you talk about Quran-o-Hadith. We all just saw you how good you’ve been in the discussion so far!

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I m sorry to say that for me,unlike you, Quran n hadith comes first,and not those stupid fatwas.These days,every Tom,Dick n Harry wants to get famous and the easiest thing to do that is to issue a fatwa against a famous personality/scholar.And hence every laymen is issuing fatwas ,and what else they want,they earn some money as well(200- 300 bucks for a fatwa ).But you must be aware of the fact that those fatwas have not done any thing,let me repeat anything,which is apparent from the fact that MQI has now offices in more than 90 countries and millions of people all around the world listen the speeches of Dr Sahab.About a million people attend the Aalmi-Milad conference every year,which just proves that those stupid fatwas have not done any thing,other than helping those muftis earn some money.

6/27/09

Sybarite--A Neo Wahabi

That’s not something new coming out of your kind. I’ve seen deobandis running away in a similar fashion. First they claim, accuse and then run off! There is nothing to doubt about it. You can ask Naveed when I arrived in that discussion and who re-initiated that thread. The posts are still there if you bother to look. So spare the lame judgement.

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I havent seen you guys confronting Wahabis.And these days,you have proposed another stupidity called Mods = Project *Cleaning* .And you are preventing us from confronting them in other communities by engaging us in these useless bloody fatwas.BTW,you guys should are seriously are Neo Wahabis
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If you really do have better things (that is sleeping as reported in your profile under activities) then you shouldn’t be bringing this up in the first place. First you talk about a thing and when asked about it you say I got better things to do. Great!
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Ahh,now I see why you were paying so many visits to my profile.So this is how you spend your time,right!!

6/27/09

Neo Wahabi Sybarite

See you have enough time to comment over it again and again and yet you don’t dare to put down such a list *sigh*.

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Same is applicable to you as well.Haan,if you dont have the answers to those questions,then you can escape easily by using the above tactics!!!

6/27/09

Pehlay mujhay tu sambhaal lo, Irfan tu bohut agay ki cheez hai. Abhi tu filhaal ye halat hai ke 1 nahi 2 nahi 3 bawlay mil kar bhi jawabaat nahi de paa rahay. So bachay first try to answer the queries then try to start this victory dance.
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LOL.You haven't answered the questions of naveed yet with authentic proofs.Like I said earlier,you can convince the fools around you by saying that but you cannot convince yourself.

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6/27/09

Now the question is Mr. Mohsin ! Aaj kai daur mai jab na Ambiya e Kairaam ka Daur Mubaarak raha hai na Khulafaa ka na Imaamoun ka tou phir jab aap jaisai koi fitna kharaa karain tou solution koun daiga ? "Men of Knowledge" koun hain ? Aap ka baap tou hai nahi kai ham uss sai rujou karain ...

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Kaafi zabardast hai apke ''Men of Knowledge''.Just have a look at the last line...kya qoob hai apke Men of Knowledge......The only reason why we dint replied to your last line in the same tone/way is just because of our Sheikh.And we know very well what kind of Sheikh/Murshid yours is.

6/27/09

Answer to Sybarite (Mawlid-e-Esa in Islamic Way)

A member from Minhaj-ul-Quran confirms me detail about Celebrations of Mawlid-e-Esa A.S, it was started of with recitation of Holy Quran and then Bible then Naat-e-Rasul صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم was recited and then christmas Song.

6/27/09

@Sybarite
Bhai i was watching your complete post from last few week..
aap mujhe duniya ke sabse sabse sabse sabse bare wale jahil lage.. means main agar aap ko jahil e millat la laqab de du to kuch galat nahi hongi bhai.......
bhai jinke khud ke ghar seeshe ke hote hai woh dusro ke ghar per pathar nahi marte ;)
i hope aap samajh gaye honge bhai...Sara alqaab and laqab wale ki asliat main khud jantei hoo ......
per ek cheese ki tareef hai bhai aap log bahut hi planned and programmmed jhooth bolte hoo ..ye bhi tareef ki baat hai yaar...koi shahab khud ko azhari kahte hai per Jamia Azhar main sirf gate se wapas aaye hain ..bhai Egypt main rahne se azhari nahi hota koi..khair aap apna khyaal rakhiye.......abhi hame thoda sa minaraye noor shahab ke liye thori tayyari karni hain.
Allah Hafiz

6/28/09

Bachay you've answered only the older queries and even not all of them! First answer the posts in response to your crap, then answer all the unanswered queries then expect a reply from me.

Are you at drugs? Again see the list of the newest questions you have posted. Moronic shit will never end from your side I guess, isn't it?

6/28/09

Man, you really need a rest . Waiting for Tajashariyah's karamat .

6/28/09

R4G

Neo Wahabi Sybarite

Lagta hai ye title se kaafi taleef pahunchi Mere ''Bhai ko
Tum tu chup hi raho. Aik hi session post kya tum ne aur uss per jo jootay paray hain tumhari manhoos shikal per uss se bookhla kar abhi tak mafroor ho. Shabaash pehlay himmat kar ke purani posts ka jawab do phir nahi kahaniya sunana.
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Look who is crying here.As if you have replied to all the posts of Naveed.Practice before you preach munna.Lagta hai meri baat dil ko choo gai,par kya karen,Sach kadwa hota hai.

6/28/09

R4G

@Madinah Munawwara

Oyea har jahan kai khabees ! Uss badmazhab kai Mureed houna tumhai MUBAARAK hou ! magar apni zubaan TAAJUSH SHARIAH kai muaamlai mai khouli tou katt jaigi !!

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U know what.People like you should be banned from using orkut.Or atleast please do a favor by not posting ur nonsensical crap.Just take a look at my post and then decide whom I addressed in my last posts .

And yes,thanks again for showing what kind of Sheikh you have and what kind of teaching he imparts to his Mureeds

6/28/09

Answer to Sybarite

Debates kay rules tou tumhin khud nahi pata, jab bar bar mu per jutay perin tou aisa he hota hai banda debate kerna he bhool jata hai, baat tumnay ki or prove hum dain wah!!

In reply to that I said what you quoted. Now even a little kid can understand what I replied and how I replied. I challenge you to present the word Haram in my post. I challenge you to present the word banned in my post. I challenge you to present where and how I made a LAW or even tried so.
Ager haram nahi banned nahi tou phir kiya hai bhai ? well keep reading I have answered it in the end.

The thing we are discussing here that whether Christians are allowed to pray in Masajid generally or not. The argument is about whether what Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) decided can be taken as general or not and you’re dragging this crap into this.

Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki her sunnat general hai, andhee nahi chal rahi kay jisay chahay apni pasand kay mutabik general kerdia or jo pasand nahi aaee usay particular kerdia….deen ko mazaak samjha huwa hai kia ? whatever and as much we can follow Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) we should follow Him (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), or Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki ek sunnat ko zindah kernay ka app ko pata hoga kitna ajer or sawab hai ..

Or waisay bhee mai is ka general hona pehlay prove kerchuka hon, or aab tum bhee previous reply mai accept ker chukay ho kay it is general.

I wont let you run away on this one now. If you’re a ligetimate child prove which of my words presents me as the Law Maker,

This is what u said about Sunnat-e-Rasul (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) on june 20:
Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam)’s decision to allowed them to offer their prayers in Masjid-e-Nabawi was not a Hukm-e-Aam!

6/28/09

Tum kon hotay ho Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki sunnat-e-Mubarika ko ban kernay walay ? tumhin kis nay authority di Sunnat-e-Mubarika ko khatam kernay ki ? tumhin kis nay power dee deen mai naya law introduce kernay ki kay this sunnat is not to be followed ?
Kuch khud ka khoof hai ?

I challenge all the tahiris/minhajian bawlas to prove that allowing Christians to pray in Masajid is a Sunnah by any authentic proof,

Lo gee kerlo baat…. Aab ye naye log aaye hain naya fitna lay ker…. Inhin jo pasand hoga bas wahi sunnat hai baki sab banned hai….

Now if you have an ounce of haya or ghairat or anything near to it in yourself, you would be coming back with an authentic verdict or something like it, not with your very own twisted views.

Abay rehnay do… ab tou tumhin Sunnat-e-Rasul ka bhe lehaz na raha reference kaisa…?

You tahiri buffoon first prove that it’s a Sunnah! I dare all of you tahiris on the face of earth to prove it a Sunnah!

Sunnat kisay kehtay hain phir ? Kiya Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) nay jo non muslim kay sath achay ikhlaaq rakhay kiya hum usay aaj na follow kerin ? Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) nay jo unhin rights diye kiya hum aaj un ka inkar kerdin ?

I quoted the above crap of yours and then replied so its not very hard to understand what I was talking about. You clearly said that allowing Christians to pray in Masajid shows the rights given to Non-Muslims. You didn’t restricted that to Christians by any means, but used the word Non-Muslims which includes Hindus as well. And now asking me why am I talking about every non-muslims!

What a big duffer this man is! The whole story has been come to an end and this person is asking Zulaikha mard hai ya auraat! ….. Idiot we are discussing Christians Non Muslims or other Non muslims like hindus? See in which context i have used word Non Muslim!

6/28/09

sari baat Christians ki ho rahi hai Non muslim word un kay liye use kiya ja raha hai… ye akalmand hero hinduon ko beech mai ghuser rahay hain….hindu say kuch ziada muhabat hai kia ?

Nowhere it proves that its general,

Now where it proves that it is not general it is now banned ?? isi terha chalta raha tou ek ek ker kay aap Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki sari sunnaton ko general kerdin gay …. Hosh say kam ligiye zara…

but as per the situation described in the report it makes that decision particular not general. That’s my daleel.

Not this is not daleel, is terha ki daleel day ker app sunnat ko jhutla nahi saktay, is terha tou aap kal das or sunnaton ka inkar kerdin kay un ki situation dekh ker….??

Another daleel which I presented that we have no such reports in the whole history of Islam where Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) or any of the Ashaab-e-Kiram (Radi Allahu Anhu) allowed Christians to pray in Masajid and that makes that Nijran report exclusive.

Ok tou ? what do u call it ? biddat? Which biddat ? biddat-e-Hasana or Biddat-e-Saiiya ? (Although it is sunnat-e-Rasul (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم)) explain with references.

Baki aap nay sari bakwas he ki hai wo already answer ki ja chuki hai aab mai bar bar usi ko answer nahi kersakta kiyon kay tumhin answer chahiye he nahi tumhin chahiye sirif fatwa bas usi ki tum sari zindagi chato gay

Or beech mai mujh kisi yousuf sahab ka tum nay reference diya usay mai answer kerdayta hon becz it is new one…now I’ll show u how senseless statement he made
Yousuf sahab said (quoting relevant part):

But he did not allow them to have their regular Sunday services there. This was a permission for one specific occasion in a special case.The Mosque is the place for the worship of One God (Tawhid). It is not suitable for any service that may have Shirk in it.

6/28/09

First Yousuf Sahab completely ignored the top class qualities of Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم), like attitude hospitality kindness etc, he totally ignored beautiful sirat of Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم).

Now according to yousuf sahab Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) part time allowed SHIRK the biggest sin the worst act in Masjid-e-Nabavi..?, (Astagfirullah) and then it was banned..
Does this makes any sense ? Maqsad kia tha ? kiyon ejazat dee prayer ki even it involves Shirk ? Just to bring them Closer to Islam, Yahi maksad tha ya nahi ? bilkul isi terha, isii maksad kay tehad Dr Sahab ager ejazat day tou wo na-jaiz hogia ?

whereas Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) showed His (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) supreme qualities of Iklaaq tolerance kindness to non muslims just to bring them closer to true religion even they were doing shirk laykin maksad itna azeem tha kay their shirk doesn’t matter at all it doesn’t effect to any one, not only allow these Christians but tied kuffar with the pillar of Masjid-e-Nabavi just becz of this reason… where as yusuf sahab said:
the Mosque was the only place for any gathering.

Now what yousuf sahab will say on this act ? Why Prophet (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) kept kuffar prisoner in Masjid ? if it is only for gathering ? is there no other place for them ?

These types of molvies are absolutely unaware for Wisdom their hearts are empty with fehm-e-Deen. Tum logon nay puri jaan mardi kay Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) kay is top level of Ikhlaaq ko kisi terha dabaya jaye….ye hai tumhari suniyat!

Finally Mr Sybarite have accepted that allowing Christians to pray in Masjid is neither haram nor banned (Prohibited). Here are the comments of Sybarite for reference:

6/28/09

Reference No. 1
In reply to that I said what you quoted. Now even a little kid can understand what I replied and how I replied. I challenge you to present the word Haram in my post. I challenge you to present the word banned in my post. I challenge you to present where and how I made a LAW or even tried so.

Reference No. 2
Again a very khabees attempt. Bachay zara jaldi se dikhao where I said it Haram. Nowhere! Show me where I said that Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) took care of those Ehtiopian Christians and then BANNED them to pray? Nowhere!

Sybarite believes that there is no report no evidence from History of Islam in Sahaba-e-Karam’s period so there is silence on this issue.
Another daleel which I presented that we have no such reports in the whole history of Islam where Rasoolullah (Sallallahu Allaihe Wasallam) or any of the Ashaab-e-Kiram (Radi Allahu Anhu) allowed Christians to pray in Masajid and that makes that Nijran report exclusive.

Lets see what Hadiths says on things where we found Silence (Neither Halal nor Haram)

Aqah Karim (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) said: What Allah has made lawful in His Book is halal and what He has forbidden is haram, and that concerning which He is silent is allowed as His favor. So accept from Allah His favor, for Allah is not forgetful of anything. He then recited, "And thy Lord is not forgetful.” (19:64)

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(This hadith was reported by al-Hakim, classified as sahih (sound), and quoted by al-Bazzar.)

6/28/09

Salman al-Farsi reported that when the Messenger of Allah (peace be on him) was asked about animal fat, cheese, and fur, he replied, "The halal is that which Allah has made lawful in His Book and the haram is that which He has forbidden, and that concerning which He is silent He has permitted as a favor to you."

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(Reported by al-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah)

This as “another” prove for permitting Christians to Pray in Masjid just to bring them Closer to Religion (and I have already answered tht they were allowed to pray so when they come and see Muslims way of praying and Muslims loving each other Just for Allah and Rasul (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) and they see the simplicity of religion Islam so in this way they will learn a lot about Islam and definitely get impressed with it as Kuffar prisoners got impressed when they were tied with Pillars of Masjid-e-Nabavi).

Ab sybarite is mai keray nikalay sari zindagi chilata rahay galiyan deyta rahay us kay in amaal say hamara is baat per akeeda mazeed mazboot he howa hai kamzor nahi, or us ki jahalat or us ki suniyat ka asli roop khul ker samnay agia hai kay kitna usay fatwon ka lehaz hai or kitna Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki sirat-e-Mubarika or Sunnat-e-Mubarika ko protect kernay ka lehaz hai.

Fatwon per in sahab nay Huzur صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم ki sirat or khubsurat Ikhaaq or amal ko he Qurban kerdia (Astagfirullah), ye hai Molvi parasti ka natija.

Akhir mai I saw ur response to that challenge u gave, and really it made me laugh .. lollz .. Shariee hokum kiyon hai ? kabhi socha ? shariee hokum tou ye bhee hai kay Allah kay siwa kisi ko sijda nahi kerna ? kabhi akal bhee istaymaal kerliya kero, kay kanoon banaya hai tou kiyon banaya hai ? Challenge ka jawab dekh ker bhoklahat tumhari sab kay samnay agaee hai.

Kher jab tumhari akal he ghas chernay chali gaee ho tou kahan say use kero gay..

6/28/09

Sybarite nay sirif or sirif fatwon ko protect kernay kay liye Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki sunnat Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki piyari or khubsurrat sirat or ikhalaq ko dabanay ki khoshish ki is kay elawa is ka koi or maksad nahi tha.

That’s all, I have ignored all rubbish idiotic foolish senseless baseless illogical personal views and points of Mr Sybarite becz they have no value in front of Quran and Hadith.

Khuda Hafiz.

6/28/09

Sybarite nay sirif or sirif fatwon ko protect kernay kay liye Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki sunnat Huzur (صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم) ki piyari or khubsurrat sirat or ikhalaq ko dabanay ki khoshish ki is kay elawa is ka koi or maksad nahi tha.

Kya haal hai dekho,chand mamooli fatwo ke liye Sunnat-e-Rasool Sallalahu Alahi wa Sallam ko dabanay ki nakaam koshish..Isliye to mai kehta hu Neo Wahabi

6/28/09

Hey hey mein bhi mein bhi

6/28/09

Zulmat-e-Afaaq mein chamkay ga Tahir Qadri
Ekk nayee tareekh phir likhay ga Tahir Qadri

Apnay lehjay mein samaitay baadlon ki garj ko
Kufr k eewaanon mein goonjay ga Tahir Qadri

(With due respect to all the other respected Ulema who have Ilmi Ikhtilaf this thing which I'm going to write is for those who are just crying out their own stupidity since so many years)

My mum often tell me about a Kahaawat which was used in her childhood by my Grandpa that "Kuttay bhonkday rehnden, raahi laghday rehnden"..

6/28/09

Karaaamat !! Karaamatain Andhoun ko nazar nahi aateen … ab uss Karaamat ka tum karougai kya jo tumhai nazar bhee na aayea ? ** Wonders **

Meri masoom Api . Chalain karaamat nai kehta, Irfan Qadri direct hi keh deta hoon. Woh tou nazar aa jaye ga na? Ya woh bhi nazar aanay ki cheez nai?

6/28/09

Mr. Obaid ! Munkir Kai Mureed ! Mainai iss stupidity sai bhari hoee post ka jawab dya tha !! dimaagh tou pehlai bhee nahi chalta tha ab kya nazar bhee kharaab hou gaee hai ?

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Kya aap janti hai mai kis ka mureed hu?Mai kisi ka mureed hu bhi ya nahi?Agar hu to kis ka mureed hu?Thats why I said,people like you should be banned from using Orkut.Do Touba because you dont know who my Sheikh is.

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6/28/09

Api look at it with a normal neutral eye. We are doing nothing as compared to what Sybarite is doing.

Secondly, even if we are doing something - it's here on 'Orkut' a normal public community. But once you come to Lahore I'll show you the things these people are doing. In this era when Islam is facing so much conflicts, their soul purpose is to deviate people from Dr. Sahib. Base foundation of their speeches is this soul mission. The taunts and abuse they do is far more harmful for Deen than this normal discussion we are doing here.

People like you, Toqeer, Adeel Bhai, Ammara Sis., and many many others are just proned victims of this flood of Bad-Niyati. Please wake up and hold the Daaman of the Awliya who appreciate this 90% of Ahl-ul-Sunnah and not that 10% out of it. Again recall the statement of Hazoor Qudwat-ul-Awliya and do at least think about your Nisbats with Hazoor Ghauth-ul-Wara. I'm really upset about you and a few more people whom I really care from the cores of my heart. May Allaah show you the right path very soon. May Allaah bless you the Ziyarat-e-Pak of Hazoor Sarwar-e-Konain and lead you to the righteous path through His exalted tawassul. Ameen!

6/29/09

Najeeb

An advice: Don't discuss anything regarding his eminence Syyedi AlaHazrat RadiAllaahoAnho. But whatever you want to talk else than that, would be highly appreciated.

Regards!

6/29/09

Salam alai kum bhai maine kya gustakhi ki hain ?
mere bhai aaap kahna kya chah rahe hoo mujhe samajh main nahi aa raha hain ..
sirf gustakhi gustakhi kar rahe hoo bhai ..
kya gustakhi ki hai maine ye to batao ? sirf jaha main 1 hi sacha hai woh aap ........hai na ?

6/30/09

Moderator's Note

hum to unki aulaaad hai jinka talwa aur qadam Huzur Ahmed Raza(RA) ne bose diye hain

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Such type of lines fall in the category of disrespect.Avoid such lines.Consider this as a warning.Like I said earlier,only selected members are allowed to post in this particular thread/topic.Hence your posts and the reply to your posts have been deleted.
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6/30/09

And Minarye Noor is not an extremist like sybarite.So stop fighting with him on this issue.Not here atleast.

6/30/09

Sybarite is now in extreme frustrations and Bhoklahat, after getting slap again and again he has totally gone mad and started using his family language, his language shows where he live & how he talk with his father mother and other family members.. jis ko apnay baap per shak ho usay dosray bhee aisay he nazer atay hai.

Act of allowing Christians to pray in masjid has been proved to be sunnah, and if we dont find any reference from Sahaba's period it doesnt means they have ignored it. Sybarite believes their is Silence on it, so i also from this angle proved that what Shariah says on matters on which we found silence.

So in both angles Sybarite got full slap. from every angle this point is proved from Quran and Hadith, but these Fatwa and molvi parats hardcore extremist who are in the front line to demage and destroy the name of Alahazrat R.A, will never succeed in their mission! they will never succeed in destroying Sunnah of Holy Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم, destroying Sirah and beautifull Ikhlaaq of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم.

These are the actual Munafiq, worst than Wahabi and Deobandis, becz they are demaging Aqaeed of Ahl-e-Sunnat in the name of Alahazrat R.A.

May Allah save us all from this Fitnah of Molvi and fatwa parasti which let people to deny Beautiful sunnah and Ikhlaaq of Prophet صلی اللہ علیھ وآلھ وسلم.

This is my last reply as there is nothing left in Sybarite posts except his family Language. So these people deserve to be talked in their language, becz they only understand this way, and I am sorry to say that I dont know how to deal them in this language.

I will not check Sybarite post and replies anymore from now onwords.

Fi Amanillahi Wa Rasulihi.

6/30/09

And I suppose he's now quiet on my answers too. He's left with nothing but his Zidd! May Allaah guide him through.

6/30/09

My Masoom Api

Inn Khabeesoun kee kis kis Khabaasat ka jawab doun ? !!

Kis kis ka dey chukeen? :O

Jab ham jawab daitai hain tou routai pitt'tai hamai reply karnai kai liyea har HAQQ waali baat kai MUNKIR tehar'na inn ka paisha hou gya hai !!

Haqq? I'm afraid. Jaanti bhi hain Haqq kehtay kis ko hain? Saari duniya k Awliya karaam ki Wilaayat ka aap log inkaar kerain aur yeh ilzaam hum per? Taubah ker lein agar aqal aa jaye tou, nai tou kerti rahiye fazool ki bakwaas. Sorry but aap jesi Aapiyon k liye Shariyat ne koi rule nai mention kia nai tou lagoo ker deta.

Waisai Ahmed bhai ; once I asked Qibla Huzoor Shah Sahib a question about Syed Zaat; He replied : Har Syed Mairai Aaqa e Kareem , Rauf u Raheem Alaihai Salaat u Wassalaam ka Ghulaam nahi houta ... Har koi Mairai Aaqa kai Nawaasoun Kee Aal Nahi hain ... Aaj kai Gustaakh Syed Yazeed kee Aulaadain hain ...

Syed Zaadon k baray mein tou baat kertay khyaal ker lain :S.. Ashaab-e-Kahf k saath munsaliq honay wala 'KUTTA' bhi jannati ho geya, aur duniya per paaye jaanay wali sab se aalah nisbat per aisay ghatiya ilfaaz? Iss per tou sakoot rakh letay yaar. Pata nai yeh kis mission ki pairwi ho rahi hai, but one thing's for sure, it's not Alahazrat's mission and that's final. Individually declaring some Gustakh as something is different. But.. Duhh. Hosh k nakhun lo!

6/30/09

Ab Thanwi aur Yazeed kee Aulaadain tou aaj tak Aala Hazrat Azeem ul Barkat Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu kai Qalam ka jawab nahi dai sakeen ... aap kai har kaam kai reference ka kya khaak jawab houga inn kai paas ?

Hehe! Issi liye tou kehta hoon aap ko masoom. Kya se kya kerti jaa ri hain aur zara bhi khyaal nahi. AlaHazrat ki tehqeeq parhi jo unho ne ki aur 30 saal k baad fatwa jari kia? Zara parhiye ga kabhi aur phir apni iss statement ka mutaaleya ba-ghaur kijiye ga. Shayd hidaayat naseeb aa jaye. Aray yeh tou kya aap k hero Irfan Qadri Sahib bhi aa jayen tou woh bhi mooh k bal girain gey, yeh tou already gir chukay . Khauf-e-Khuada kero, Kizb se bacho!

Ahmad Sahib!

Aap ki bakwaasain jo meri jaanib aayeen unn ka tou jawab arz ker chuka. Abb intezaar hai unn verdicts ka. Ek aur cheez ka intezaar hai, sach mein agar woh mil gayee tou aap royen gey iss sab per jo aap iss hassti k baray mein keh chukay. Aap ne sab waliyon ki wilaayat ka inkaar kia (Including Syyedina Qudwat-ul-Awliya, the Murshid of grandsons of AlaHazrat). Ghulam-e-Roza e Rasool ka bhi inkaar ker dia jo wahid shakhs hai jo Qabr-e-Anwar tak rasaai rakhta hai. Uss k diye huay Salaam ka bhi inkaar kia. Sirf ek nisbat ki waja se. Woh nisbat bhi inshAllaah clear honay wali hai kuch dino mein :).. Intezaar kertay jao aur dekhtay jao k tum ne kya kya kiya hai andhi takleed mein.

7/1/09

Salam alai kum
@ Obaid I dont care agar tum delete bhi kar doo..Mind it........
yaar karna ho to delete kar doo , mujhe kahani mat sunao baar baar..
I said it and i m still at that point ..Alahzarat(RA) ne saaadat ki izzat main ye kiya hai kiya hai kiya hain ...
And agar maniraye noor ko isper aitraaz hai to woh phir badnaseeeb hai .........
Allah Hafiz

7/1/09

So here goes your crap in the place where it deserves to be, yea you got it right, Dust Bin after being replied.

The above quoted statement of yours is not in that very paragraph which I quoted. And about putting veils, Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah replied himself. Now you could’ve mentioned Allama Kokab Noorani’s name in this regard and could’ve excluded Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah just as you did now, but you didn’t.

Hey I really forgot that you have the habit of eating 'Paki Pakaayi'. And the habit has grown to this much limit. I mean, enough man! Stop this Wahhabism now you Neo-Wahhabi . And trust me, you still haven't got the meaning of 'Putting veils' . Don't worry I'll tell you how.

Ye tu jab guddi pakri hai tu cheekhein nikal rahi hai tumhari warna asliyat tu tumhari tamaam posts se dikh hi rahi hai. Your statement explicitly declared all of them to be illiterate people who address him as Padri.

Yaar yeh guddi pakarna tum thori der k liye chhor nai saktay? Yeh karachi ki sarkain nai hain jahaan tum apnay saathiyon k sath mil ker jhaambay ley ker guddiyan loot'tay phirtay ho. Baray ho jao aur koi sahi se muhawray istemaal kero jo tumhari kuch thori boht izzat tou kerwayen? Pehlay hi posts aisi chawal kertya ho k jootay maar maar k thakk geya hoon, abb muhawron mein bhi bisti kerwaan hai? Sharam kero kam az kam apnay maa baap ka hi khyaal ker lo. Yes they are illiterate, but not all of them. Some have put veils on their knowledge and I'll let you know how you taking this 'Veil' thingy right from the start. You are not more than a Wobbli Moron to me, you cheapster!

You’ve been a typical loota ever since when it came to Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah so its no wonder if you keep doing this loota’pana again.

Loota? Look, I'm here to discuss things. Not to understand your mother-language so please avoid yaar! Secondly, crown of my Shariyah is Imam-e-Azam RadiAllaahoAnho and not Akhtar Raza Sahib.

7/1/09

@ Sybarite
Mere pyaar bhai Salam alai kum
yaar aap log aadha parhte hoo and kudna suru kar dete hoo....maine agar Syed hataya hai to maine uski jagah per kuch likha hai aap ne woh nahi parha ..ki ankhe band ho gayi thi aap ki...... ya padh ke chor diya.
woh to mujhe lag .......
and MASALLAH aap ko kuch to izzat hai saadat ki ..per yaar ap apne peer ke nakhsekadam per nahi gaye is mamle main ....
unhone to gustakhio ki line laga di hain....khair bhai aap ne MASALLAH bataya ki Hazrat ko itne bare bare Alqaab mile hain ..Khushi huyi jaan kar ke .....Per afsoos hai ki aap ne sirf utna hi bataya jitna www.tajusshariah.com per likha hainn..
Egypt was suppose to be having best media and news agency in that region but yaar itna bara bara laqab mila aaj tak na to kisi paper main aaya nahi hi kisi arab news main ..and woh Al-Azhar jaisi university se.. Bhai dekho aap mureed hoo aap ko beshak and zaroori hai apne peer se dher sari mohabbat karni per yaa sach to jaan lo..
and haa pani wali karamt u know india main govt ne drougt ka elaan kiya hain plz yaar HAzrat se kaho ki yaha per dua kar de ..plese..... bhai ..jab waha per karwa diya ..and belive me agar dua se pani barsa diya to india main islam ka bahut faida honga..seriously .....please yaar apne peer shahab se kaho na please bhai..... yaar karamat paida karne ki agar koi university ho to VC hazrat ho honge i m very sure..and haa yaar agar paani yaha per bhi barsa de to plz yaar accha honga na ..U know hindu qaum waise bhi karamt dekh kar ke jaldi imaan le aati hai so kitna accha honga ..
Hazrat ko delhi bulaya jayenga woh waha per dua karenge and paani barsenga puri india dekhingi maza aa jayenga Islam ka faida honga ,Sunniyat ka faida honga ........manqabat khaani hame mat bataya karo mere bhai..........
@ Mohtarma XYZ
peer ka asar mureeed per parta ha and hatta Bizurgo ne farmaya hai ki Mureed peer ka aqs hota hai aap ko dekh kar ke hame peer ka andaza lag gaya ..
I ws nt wrong ......ALLAH HAFIZ

7/1/09

First it was you who said

Fatwa jaari sirf un ko kerna chahiye jin ka haq hai, e.g. Mufti Taaj ush Shariyah Akhtar Raza Khaan Sahab, who has the knowledge of Shariyat.

Then when you were smacked with Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah’s verdict you took another turn and kept on saying that Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah been deceived and all that. In reply to that you got another smack on your face by Huzoor Taaj’ush-Shariah’s audio clip. So your loota’pana is clearly evident from your posts bachay.

Yeah I said that. I still stand by that. He should be giving Fatwa because he has got knowledge. But he has put veils on it. What can I do when you can't understand a simple line in English?

To be frank, his verdicts mean much lesser to me than thee verdicts if Hazrat Syyedina Qudwat-ul-Awliya, mind it! See the thread in this community with the name 'Peer For his Mureed'. Those written verdicts were really based on tempered words. You are still failed to give the original references for that verdict. Bring them on, then we'll discuss about the health of that verdict. About the Audio Clip, I could hear something like "Muta'addad logo se yeh sun'nay mein aa raha hai". Man! Since when has this Suni Sunaayi things have come into the Fatawa? Disgusting seriously. He should have done some work before saying that Yahoodiyon ko anay ki ijaazat di and all. Who allowed Jews? There you see the health of that Audio clip as well.

7/1/09

@Najeeb

I am literally ROFL.............Kya qoob kaha yaar aapne......Hats off to you

7/1/09

@Obaid
bhai seriously yaar u know na yaha pani nahi baras raha hai pura India main dua hoo rahi hain Urs-e- Gareeeb Nawaz main special dua ki gayii ..yaar aap un hazrat ko to dua kar hi deni chahiye na bhai

7/1/09

Rizwan

Najeeb
Salam alai kum
@ Obaid I dont care agar tum delete bhi kar doo..Mind it........
yaar karna ho to delete kar doo , mujhe kahani mat sunao baar baar..
I said it and i m still at that point ..Alahzarat(RA) ne saaadat ki izzat main ye kiya hai kiya hai kiya hain ...

Wo Alahazrat ki shaan hai ke woh apne aap ko saadaat ka gulam samajhte hai, or kya aap ko ye accha lagta hai ke aise lafz ek MUJADDIT ke bare me kaha jaye.

Alahazrat ka ye ashaar bhi hai

koi teri baat kyu pooche raza
tujhse shaida [ye lafz adab ke liye kaha gaya hai] hazaar phirte hai.

aur ek aap hi ke jo ji chaha keh diya UELMA E DEEN, MUJADDIT E AZAAM ke adab ka khayaal hi nahi rakha

And agar maniraye noor ko isper aitraaz hai to woh phir badnaseeeb hai .........
Allah Hafiz

badi hi azeeb baat hai ke aap kisi sunni sahiul aqeeda ko badnaseeb kehte hai
moderators should take action here.

ye banda baar baaar koi na koi baat laa ker Alahazrat ke aqeedmand [jo Dr. Sahab.] bhi hai ko uksa raha hai

shayad aap SAYED hai isiliye Alahazrat ne jo hame bataya hai SAYEDOO ke Aadab ke bare me hum usi per amal karega or aap se KHAAS guzarish karege ke aap is tarah ki koi baat na kary jisse hum Adab ke daire se bahar aa jaye [Allah na kary]

ek baar or hum is baat ko dohra de ke aap is tarah ki baatoo se perhez kare

7/2/09

Minaraye Noor

I said it and i m still at that point ..Alahzarat(RA) ne saaadat ki izzat main ye kiya hai kiya hai kiya hain ...

jaisa tum keh rahe ho waisa Aalahazrat ne kuch nahi kia hai nahi kia hai nahi kia hai kiyunki Reference tum ne ab tak nahi diya hai . (aur na kabhi de sako gey)

And agar maniraye noor ko isper aitraaz hai to woh phir badnaseeeb hai .........

Mudae Laakh Bura Chahe to kia hota hai.....

7/10/09

@ Sybarite
Mein tu pehlay hi keh chuka ke mein apnay Murshid ke naqsh-e-kadm per hun. Ala Hazrat ne bhi yehi taleem di aur khud Huzoor Taaj'ush-Shariah ka bhi yehi farmaan hai. Aap ilzaam'tarashi ki dunya se bahir aye gay tu kuch maloom hoga na janab

Beshak Alahazrat ne taleem diya main bhi is baat per israar karta hoo ..beshak...And rahi baat apke pe murshid ki shayed woh dusre ko mana karte hoo per khud karte hoo ....Is mamle main to kafi maharat hain For example:-> Alahazrat ne aurato ko mazar per na jane ka fatwa diya ( jo ki 100% sahi hai ) per Alahazrat ke asstane mubarak per aurato ki tadaad kafi jyada hoti hai ..
kuch aisa mamla aap ke peer ka hai ..
Khair aap ko to pata hi honga Hazrta Tajusshriah 23-24 june ko Mauritius mai the waha se South Africa jane wale the phir England jane ka plan tha ( For your information only)

7/10/09

Per afsoos hai ki aap ne sirf utna hi bataya jitna www.tajusshariah.com per likha hainn
oh sorry site update nahi huyi thi shayed ......... bhai waise is baar maine aap ko update kar diya ..
:)

7/10/09

Janab aap ko agar lagta hai ke ye sab jhoot hai tu apnay dalail paish kar dijiye. Aap tu khud Madina Munawarra sister ko keh chukay ke.

Accha aap daleel ke baad maan lenge ?
yaar na hona khud main ek daleel hai daleel to hone ki paish ki jati hai .....hain na ?
one more thinga usi site main likha hai ki Alaazhar ka certicicate sahi halat main nahi is liye paish nahi kiya site per ( kuch aisa hi likha hain)..
do u think it make sense Alahazrat ke likhe hute fatwe mahfooz hain and 1966 ka ek certificate sahi halat main nahi hai (shayed damascus wali barish main bheeg gaya honga bhai ) . iski 2 hi wajah hai ho sakti hai ya to mila nahi ya phir Hazrat ne us certificate ko jyada ahmiat nahi thi...aab ahmiat na dena ka sawal hi nahi hain ( kyuki hazrat ki manqabat khwani shuru hi wahi se hoti hain )..so shayed pahli wali wajah hi sahi hain.....ball is in you goal now.........
:)

7/10/09

Tu janab aap ko chahiye ke pehlay khud apni madad aap ke tehat iss daway ko ghalat sabit kar ne ke liye Al-Azhar University ke President ka qoul naql kar dein.

bhai university president nahi chancellar chalata hain ..and by the way aapko kya lagta hai woh ye kahenge ki hazrat Tajushriah ko certificate nahi mila.. hum iske life maafi chahte hai and all..yaar woh sab padhne likhne wale log hai jab unke pass fatwebazi ka tima nahi to manqabat khwani ka time kaha se honga ..
( waise ek jugaad main batau Mufti e Egypt pakka wala sunni hain and Sufi nature ka hain usse kuch faida ho sakta hain ..and haa ye mata batana use ki Hazrat ki har Khanqaho se ladai hain warna phir madad nahi karenga)

Baqi agar aapki tabyat chahay tu Al-Azhar award ki photo yaha dekh saktay hain;

And haa photo wali baat yahi se mere jehan main sawal aaya ..
Bhai aap ko pahle main kuch bare awards ka naaam batau jaise Noble prize , Bharat Ratna(India) ,
Nishan e Imtiyaz(Pakistan), Oscar Award, Bookar Award, UNO award and all yaha tak ke kisi university ke topper and Imtiyaz wale award.. in sab award ki aap picture dekhe ( net per mil jayengi) sabme ek similarlity hai sab main ye zaroor likha hota hai ki akhir award kya hain ( award ka naam kya ) .. I am sure ye ek trend hai jo har jagah follow hota hain .per Hazrat wale award main mamla ulta hain e baar AlAzhar likha hai ( Thier must be some reason) , and neeche shukr - takdeer likha hain ....( kis liye pata nahi) award kaa naam nahi likha hai kahi per..

Mujhe bhi aisa hi ek award mila hai jab main Graduate huya tha to AMU( Aligarh Muslim University ) ne diya tha ..( Although i m nt gud student at all , khud ki tareef aab kya karu).. woh bhi aisa hi tha ..per woh sirf ek momento tha jo un ladko ko bhi mila tha jinhone 3 saal ki padhai 6 saal mai puri ki thi..

khair apart from the joke us ki asweer se kahi se nahi prove hota ki woh koi award hai woh just ek momento hain dats all.......
Baqi ALLAH mujhe himmat de sach kahne ki and aap ko sach sunne ki ......

7/11/09

For paani wali karamat:

yahi to pareshani hai Hazrat humne milte hi nahi baat hi nahi karte ekdum se ..( Main koi paisa wala admi nahi hooo na actually) .. yaar waise akasar aisi karamat 7 samundar paar hi dikhate hai log .. ghar ke aas pass nahi...

and dusri baat Hazrat rahte hi kaha hai india main . itna daura rahta hain har jagah. Har jagah paani barsana rahta hai .. bechare hum log hi Hazrat ke karamat se mahrooom rah jate hain...Khud dekho na Hasnain miya (RA) ka urs tha hazrat ko hona chahiye tha Bareilly main per nahi rahe ( ye unki marzi hai ya koi aur mamla hain ).. khair i m no one to comment on the family matters .. per yaar you know jab tum kisi ki aqeedat ho bura bhala kahonge to dusre ke passs bhi jubaan hain woh bhi kahenge ..per agar dusra meri tarah hoo to woh operation bhi kar sakta hain..

Main to is baat ko bahut yaqeen ke saath kahte hoo ki Alahazrat Azeemul Barkat Mujaddid e deen, Ashiq e Rasool Imam Ahmad Raza khan ke haqeeqan sajjada nashin bhi Tajushriah nahi hai .. nahi hai nahi hainn. bahut se sawal hai mere bhai jiska jawab kisi ke pass nahi hain ..i wish mujhe woh sab nahi poochna honga bhai..
Subhani Miyan Shahab yaqeenan asli sajjadanasheen hain ..( I respect him( Subhani miyan) from core of my heart ALLAH gawah hai is baat ka ).

7/11/09

Youn hi ye baat aap ki taraf bhi lootai jaa sakti hai ke jis andaaz mein aap ne Wali se karamat ke zahoor ki nafi ke se andaaz mein karamat ka mutaliba kya, ye tu kuffar aur munkireen ka shaiwa raha hai. Ab agar aap hi tarah aap ki iss baat ko bhi aap ke Peer-o-Murshid ki taraf mansoob kar diya jaye tu kaisay rahay ga? Lekin Alhamdulillah hum karamat-e-wali ke munkir nahi, iss liye aap ke is zaati statement ko hum aap ke Peer-o-Murshid ki taraf mansoob nahi kartay

comon not at all he is wali for me..he is just a mufti and Alim e deen for me..

Ok bhai aap ek fatwa aur de do hame bhi kafir kar doo aab khush na waise jab peer shahab ne puri ummat ke har us admi ko jisne unko kuch kaha use kafir likha diya hai aap bhi usi rah per chalo bhai..peer mureed ka manla hai ..keep it up..

Bhai abhi maine koi peer nahi chuna hain , per mera peer INSALLAAH aap ke peer jaisa to nahi honga hargiz nahi ..na to AlAzhar se padha honga , na woh sajjjadanasheen honga , na woh fatwa dene ki machine honga , na uske 10 crore mureed honge , na woh 5 Hazar rupee meter wala kapra pehanta honga ( is waqaye ka zikr agli baar karunga bhai ). Infact gareeb mureed ka gareeb peeer honga .. Akhir yaar Maidan e mahsar mai pehchan bhi to lo aisa peeer hona chahiye na ..
haa mere peer to aisa honga ki jab main 7 baar uske dar per jaunga haath jorunga tab hame woh mureed karenge ( jaise HAzrat Gareeb Nawaz (RA) ne Hazrat Qutubuddin Bakhtiyar Qaqi(ra) ko bulaya tha ) mera peer to aisa honga ki jab main chahunga uske chehre ka deedar kar lo uska faiz pa sakunga( Bhai mere peer to Maulana Room(RA) ki masnawi ki tarah honga )..

7/11/09

haa ek baat aur agar mera peer aisa honga ki agar mere jati qaul ko uske taraf mansoob bhi kar donge to yaqeenan woh ye soche ki mere ye mureed abhi pakka deewana nahi huya .. Abhi isne bait ka pura nasha nahi chara hain ..
yahi to main chahta hoo mera peer meri islaah kare ( isi liye to peer hota hai bhai)..
khair jo log isse mahroom hain unhe kya samjhau main aab bhai ..
Ya ALLAH apne habeeb ke sadqe main mujhe aisa hi peer dena jiski mujhe tamanna hain ..

7/11/09

Lekin Alhamdulillah hum karamat-e-wali ke munkir nahi, iss liye aap ke is zaati statement ko hum aap ke Peer-o-Murshid ki taraf mansoob nahi kartay.

Bhai main karamat-e-wali ka nahi per mai is baat ka munkir hoo ki har koi khud ko wali kahlaye..
Wali woh nahi hota jiske hazar mureed hoo ..wali ke liye bahut si cheese hoti hain jo mujhe un main nahi dikhti hai dats all... may be its fault of my nazar also....

main thak gaya bhai aab .......next time yahi se suru karunga
Khuda Hafiz take care
FeAmaniLLAH..
Shabbakhair

7/16/09

I believe so kai Day Dreaming kai douraan posts kiyea thai ... so kuch aisa hou hee jaana chaahiyea jiss sai yai Badbakht loug jaag ja'ain

Ta'ajjub hua soye huay logon se dusron ko jagaanay ki baat sun ker :S !

7/21/09

Jab kuch aur baaqi na rahai tou kachai dimaagh buss Ta'ajjub hee mai parrtai hain .....

Iss se zyaada bachgaana aur nahi likha jaa sakta tha na? Aray yaar please Karaamat-e-Akhtar Raza ko bula loo, please! Tum log tou boht hi I mean....... Duh!

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9/12/09

By the way, can anyone see anything like "Fakhr-e- Al-Azhar" or "Akhtar Raza Khan" on the award shield normally shown by some people who claim that Akhtar Sahib has won this title recently? If yes then please inform me that I should get my eyes checked. Or else... LoL, no, nothing.

And also please confirm that is that wonderful 'Visit' described in the same way in some Egyptian or at least Al-Azhari magazine as well? We'll be waiting.

9/24/09

Muhammad

Rahe baat Dr Sahib aur Molana Akhtar sahib ki
Tu sab Loog aik dosray ki Respect Karna seekhain!!

9/24/09

Rizwan

@ All those who show disrespect for Ulema's

humain Ulama-e-kiram k pechay fuzool bakwas nai karni chahiye
Sab ki apni Personality hay .. Sab ka Apna Makam hay.. Aur sabki Islam kay liye apni khidmaat hain!!

Rahe baat Dr Sahib aur Molana Akhtar sahib ki
Tu sab Loog aik dosray ki Respect Karna seekhain!!

Very well said brother

100% AGREED

1/14/10

hassan

great job naveed bhai.....

4/19/10

4/19/10

@ Obaid

Please allow us posting now..

4/19/10

Alright,go ahead,but please make sure that it doesnt get ugly.MAke sure that our scholars are not abused.Also keep in mind the teachings of Shaikh ul Islam,he doesnt even insult ''non-sunnis'',whereas here we are discussing about ''Sunnis''.

5/23/10